Re: Hosting a Large Number of Node Apps on the IBM i

Hi Aaron

and my apologies if I was a little rough on you ;-)

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi Henrik,

My apologies if I stated libuv was part of the Javascript language. Other
than that, yes, it appears we are on the same page now.


Aaron Bartell
litmis.com - Services for open source on IBM i


On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Aaron

so we agree, libev/libuv isn't part of the javascript language but is a

C

program that runs under V8 excluselive on servers under node.js as a
npm and it may be multi-threaded just as a call to a java class may run
multi-threaded if call from an ILE (RPG) program.



On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi Henrik,

Agreed, the Javascript runtime is single threaded. It is libuv that

makes

threads happen. Here is an excerpt from the URL I forwarded

earlier**.

"How the I/O is run in the background is not of our concern, but due

to

the

way our computer hardware works, with the thread as the basic unit of

the

processor, libuv and OSes will usually run background/worker threads

and/or

polling to perform tasks in a non-blocking manner."

Again, Javascript runtime is still single threaded BUT when it makes a

call

to libuv, that libuv call could be to spawn a new thread within that

same

process to do things that would cause the Javascript runtime to

block. I

see Nathan has responded and he explains it better than I have.

**https://nikhilm.github.io/uvbook/basics.html


Aaron Bartell
litmis.com - Services for open source on IBM i


On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Aaron

what you are stating doesn't make sense. Javascript is known as a

single

threaded
event driven and asynchronously (not to be confused with

muli-threaded)

OO

language
(Class or Prototype based).

Google's V8 javascript machine that runs in your chrome browser is

exactly

the same that
the one that runs in node.js.

Putting a layer benieth it om a server that just executes

instructions

here

and there would
completely ruin the language and the JVM since you can't be sure

that

one

instruction in line
100 is processed before line 101 that may rely on result in line

100 is

finished.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx

wrote:

I'm always open to other points of view.

There seems to be general agreement about external

reverse-proxies /

load-balancers being an effective means of "routing" work to

multiple

Node.js instances (Jobs), which ensures scalability and fail-over

support.

There doesn't seem to be much distinction whether one uses IIS,

NGiNX,

Apache, or whatever for external request routing.

It would be nice to see some benchmarks pertaining to Node's

internal

load-balancing via the "Cluster" module. I'd be a bit wary of it

after

just

reading the documentation.

The question that has me the most stumped is the one about

"routing"

potentially thousands of URLs to appropriate JavaScript routines,

with

each

routine pertaining to various "applications" within "modules"

within

"major-system-areas" (however you organize you broadly-scoped

services)?

Kevin indicated that Node has to be restarted each time a routing
configuration changes in Sails. Inline-coding of routes in Express
obviously suffers from the same problem. I'd be concerned about

performance

as the number of URLs increase.
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