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OK thanks. I will have a read (not that I have any interest in a chat
application mind you :) ).
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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Henrik Rützou
Sent: 12 July 2012 15:47
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Websockets on the IBMi
Kevin,
I found a little PDF that shows how to create a simple chat server in java
- very
informative and easy to read:
http://www.cn-java.com/download/data/book/socket_chat.pdf
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Turner
<kevin.turner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Nathanskills laughably inadequate.
From my limited experience so far, it does seem that if you want tobroadcast you have to build in your own filter to specify who to
broadcast to (assuming that all connected clients is not desired). So
you could create a very efficient filtering mechanism, or a very
inefficient one - depending on your skills :) Obviously the latter
negates any perceived benefits. There is a discussion about this very
thing on the jWebsocket forum. If you have a million connections, and
you only want to broadcast to two of them, you need a pretty efficient
mechanism for filtering the connections - not easy, given that my java
obviously.
At the moment, I am not using the broadcast technique at all (apart my
slider demo - which has no practical purpose other than to tell me
that my plug-in code works). I am using an RPC plug-in on the server
that accepts a call from the client to say "I can accept calls". The
RPC plug-in then waits on a keyed data queue for call information
directly relating to that agent/session. When it has one, it performs
an RRPC to an authorised javascript function on the client to pop-up
the screen. That is a basic summary, although it is a bit more involved
what
So I am effectively hanging a thread in the jWebsocket server. From
you have said (and being cognisant of Henrik's last email) I couldpolling"
just as easily achieve this using normal XHR long waits and not bother
with websockets at all. I guess this is what is meant by long polling
- in my previous emails I should have just said "polling" - not "long
(Thanks Robert).not the only option.
I am still sure there will be many practical purposes for websockets,
but it is early days for me. What I have learned during this
discussion is that for the CTI problem I wanted to solve, websockets are
It has been a very valuable exercise so far though.records can be corrected.
Kevin
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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Nathan Andelin
Sent: 12 July 2012 14:06
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Websockets on the IBMi
I now see that I was wrong about Web Sockets using a request-response
protocol just like XHR. It helps to use the right Wireshark filter:
Filter: ip.addr == 83.169.11.55
No, Web Socket clients evidently go into "listen" mode after a
connection is established, and the Web Socket server can just stream
data to them as events occur. The Kevins were right about it being a
bi-directional protocol. Servers broadcast messages to client
listeners at will. And the messages don't have HTTP headers, so a Web
Socket interface is significantly more streamlined.
My only caveat to the efficiency advantage of Web Sockets is that
various sources say that compression is NOT in the specification. You
can configure the HTTP server to compress data streams using g-zip; a
250 byte data stream may be compressed to 40 bytes, for example. That
helps in low-bandwidth scenarios. I'm doubtful about Web Sockets using
data compression.
With respect to jWebSocket, I confirmed that broadcast messages are
sent to all "listeners" on the port. In the demos, Chat clients
receive messages generated by Canvas clients and visa versa, evidently
because they are all listening on the same port 8787.
There's a couple problems with that. First, you'd evidently have to
write client code to filter out messages not intended for your client.
And it voids the efficiency advantage when all messages are broadcast
to all clients. I'm hoping that Kevin Turner will confirm this.
In a call center scenario I can imagine cases where some employees
take calls for one customer while others take calls for other
customers. If all calls are broadcast to all listeners, does the Web
Socket client just filter out those not intended for them?
I'm interested in broadcasting messages to HTTP clients to support
virtual meetings. I wouldn't want messages from one set of meeting
participants being broadcast to participants of other "meetings". No,
meeting should be private.
-Nathan.
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