Re: Why ASP.NET gets no Respect

That's a good price per site. But if you don't want to rent an entire
server and don't want to be a web host, it's a bit much. You can get
an individual site up and running quickly on shared LAMP hosting for
less than $100/year.

Mike E.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Maurice O'Prey <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mike E wrote

It's ridiculously easy to find

good, cheap LAMP hosting.  Good, cheap ASP.NET hosting is harder to
find.

I suppose it is down to what you consider cheap? I rent a server from an ISP
for 60 GBP, say 93 USD, a month and run 15 web sites off it. You can host an
ASP.NET application on your PC at home via Broadband for virtually free if
you want? I wouldn't call that particularly expensive...?

Maurice O'Prey




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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Eovino
Sent: 20 May 2009 01:52
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Why ASP.NET gets no Respect

I'd mix cheap hosting in with that.  It's ridiculously easy to find
good, cheap LAMP hosting.  Good, cheap ASP.NET hosting is harder to
find.  So what's my choice when I have a project idea?  Download
Visual Web Developer, develop in ASP.NET, then struggle to find a good
host?  Or download XAMPP, develop to my heart's content, then look
around to see which good web host is offering the best deal at the
time?

Mike E.

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Rick Strahl is a well known ASP.NET developer, writer, conference speaker,

and Web application framework developer  who influence me quite a bit about
10 years ago when I first became interested in developing my own Web
application framework.  So it was with some surprise that I came across a
blog post where he plays the Devil's advocate and speculates on a number of
ASP.NET and Microsoft failings.

http://www.west-wind.com/Weblog/posts/453551.aspx

The blog post was an interesting read, and generated 148 additional

comments.

His main concern seems to be that ASP.NET has not gained the traction in

the market that he expected.  I'm not sure what he expected - perhaps he's
disappointed that Microsoft's desktop monopoly hasn't grown to include
servers by now.

Playing devil's advocate he points out that:

Free and open-source tools - the LAMP stack in particular (Linux, Apache,

MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl/Ruby) seem to be formidable competitors.

ASP.NET is seen as a big and bulky - a huge framework & runtime -

requiring large servers, lots of memory etc.

ASP.NET has a steep learning curve.

Most of the criticism leveled against ASP.NET has to do with Web Forms and

using Web Forms in it's default drag & drop way.

The energy level at conferences is way down - topics and mood are dull &

boring.

Microsoft has let ASP.NET stagnate since the release of .NET 2.0.

Microsoft's answer to Ajax is the bulky and clumsy ASP.NET AJAX framework.

People outside of the Microsoft fold have intense loathing of Microsoft -

its perception as an evil empire - only out to get your money.

Advertising for ASP.NET tends to be targeted at .NET developers, which is

just preaching to the choir.

---

I've been critical of drag & drop web-forms in the past, so it was

refreshing to have that point validated by Rick and other commentators.

Notwithstanding his speculations as a Devil's advocate, he does his best

to characterize ASP.NET failings as perceptions, mostly.

Nathan.




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