RE: RE: CGIDEV2

I wouldn't necessary call it curtailing but rather a redefinition of the
best direction.  I have done a decent amount of web programming in both RPG
and Java camps over the past 5 years or so (RPG then Java) and I can safely
say that the frameworks they (Sun, IBM, Apache) are coming out with for Java
far exceed those found in the RPG community. And they have much more active
development. Just take a look at some of the different UI components that
Apache MyFaces (Java Server Faces implementation) has, and think of how much
time it would take to develop those by ones self using RPG. Oh and BTW it is
completely open source :-)

Now after saying that I have no idea what they are trying to do with EGL
<shaking head>

Aaron Bartell

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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Don
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:44 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2



No argument that there are gems and power in websphere.  But there are 
people who don't prefer it.   Now, I may be wrong here, but what I'm 
seeing is a curtailing of options for the end user/client.  What am I
missing here?

Don in DC

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, albartell wrote:

> >Only reason I can think of is that IBM continues to want to force 
> >feed
> websphere on everyone...and frankly, there are folks that will eagerly 
> punt the platform if that's their only alternative.
>
> There are gems in the websphere family of products, one just needs to 
> know which ones to use and which ones to toss. The development 
> environment (WRAD) is incredible and can greatly increase productivity 
> once you know how to use it. On the other hand I have yet to have a 
> good experience with their WAS so I stick with Tomcat.
>
> Aaron Bartell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:57 PM
> To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2
>
>
>
> I would hope not.  But frankly, I just don't see any reason for them 
> not to cut the same kinda deal that they cut with Sloan.
>
> This sounds like a SOUNDOFF item in Orlando...  Folks, time to queue 
> up at the mic and soundoff.
>
> Only reason I can think of is that IBM continues to want to force feed 
> websphere on everyone...and frankly, there are folks that will eagerly 
> punt the platform if that's their only alternative.
>
> Don in DC
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Bob Cozzi wrote:
>
>> I know that Mel works for Jim and has for months.
>> Could that be what's going on?
>>
>> -Bob Cozzi
>> www.RPGxTools.com
>> If everything is under control, you are going too slow.
>> - Mario Andretti
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Don
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:36 PM
>> To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
>> Subject: Re: [WEB400] RE: CGIDEV2
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, this may have been asked before, but what's the difference 
>> between
>> CGIDEV2 and the Tools that Jim Sloan now sells?
>>
>> I'm at a loss to see what the differences are here....
>>
>> Don in DC
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Bryan Dietz wrote:
>>
>>> Here it the text of an email that expect most will recieve.  Maybe 
>>> it will help the article.
>>>
>>> <email>
>>> Easy400 CGIDEV2 - Your action is required
>>>
>>> Dear (name),
>>> if you, as as subscriber of the IBM Easy400 site www-922.ibm.com 
>>> ever used CGIDEV2, you know for sure that this free software is the 
>>> best gem ever distributed by IBM to encourage RPG programmers in 
>>> developing iSeries WEB sites at no learning cost and with minimum
> hardware requirements.
>>>
>>> CGIDEV was developed by Mel Rothman in 1996, enhanced by him to
>>> CGIDEV2 in
>>> 1999 when he was working for the IBM Custom Technology Center in IBM 
>>> Rochester, MN.
>>> I discovered CGIDEV in 1997, rated it as a pure diamond, and 
>>> established
>> an
>>> IBM site, named Easy400, intended to inform the public about the 
>>> value of the tool, through demonstrations, tutorials, and examples.
>>>
>>> Once CGIDEV2 was available, I convinced IBM Rochester CTC management 
>>> to
>> let
>>> me distribute it at no charge through my site.
>>> Mel Rothman, though he retired a couple of years ago, continued to 
>>> provide support, fiexes and enhancements, which I cared to be made 
>>> available through the IBM Easy400 site.
>>> The success of this piece of software, CGIDEV2, has been extremely high.
>>> More than 30 articles, most in english language and in italian have 
>>> been published in the last five years. Some were stressing its 
>>> easy-of-use and performance, other were providing fine professional
> guides.
>>>
>>> As to the number of iSeries WEB sites implemented through CGIDEV2, I 
>>> have no precise figure, though my educated guess - considering that 
>>> the site
>> has
>>> currently exceeded 17 thousand subscribers from 126 countries, that 
>>> a number of developers have provided fine testimonials, and 
>>> occasional news have reached me by e-mail - is that at least 3 
>>> thousand iSeries
>>> (AS/400) WEB sites have ben established through CGIDEV2.
>>>
>>> Let us now come to the sad part of the story.
>>> One month ago it was my turn to retire.
>>>
>>> Knowing that IBM would not let me any longer maintain the IBM 
>>> Easy400
>> site,
>>> I have established my own new Easy400 site www.easy400.net where I 
>>> plan to provide futher software deliverables at no charge.
>>>
>>> I did then ask the owner of CGIDEV2, the IBM CTC Rochester, to let 
>>> me redistribute CGIDEV2 from my site, in order to provide future 
>>> maintenance and enhancements. After consulting with the IBM lawyer, 
>>> the answer was negative, the rationale being that IBM would not give 
>>> away its code, even when - as the case is - no IBM resources have 
>>> been made available for supporting it any further.
>>>
>>> I believe that such position is totally irrespective of the iSeries 
>>> and AS/400 customers needs all over the world. I know a large number 
>>> of
>> parties
>>> that develop WEB applications for small customer who cannot afford 
>>> the
>> huge
>>> hardware requirements needed to run WebSphere with a reasonable 
>>> response time. These parties would have rather migrated to 
>>> Microsoft, but their decisions were stopped by CGIDEV2 availability and
support.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>> If you are an active CGIDEV2 developer, the time has come for you to 
>>> stand up and tell IBM that CGIDEV2 deserves better attention than 
>>> paid from IBM so far and must become Open Source. In this way Mel 
>>> Rothman may continue ehnacing the code and have it distributed 
>>> through my new non-IBM Easy400 site.
>>> What should you do.
>>>
>>> Write a short letter telling the advantages CGIDEV2 has given to 
>>> you, and asking for its classification as Open Source.
>>>
>>> Address it to the IBM World Wide iSeries Marketing Vicepresident 
>>> Peter Bingaman, bingaman@xxxxxxxxxx Copy it to the Manager of the 
>>> IBM Rochester CTC Center, Richard Ross, rbross@xxxxxxxxxx Do not 
>>> forget to add a blank copy for me, Giovanni B. Perotti, 
>>> gb_perotti@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> If a few hundred letters hit the target in the next two days, IBM 
>>> will
>> have
>>> material for reconsidering its position.
>>>
>>> Dear (name), your active contribution for defending the iSeries 
>>> community is required NOW!
>>> Thanks indeed,
>>> Giovanni B. Perotti,
>>> the man who made CGIDEV2 run around the word gb_perotti@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> </email>
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Bryan Dietz
>>>
>>> Aktion Associates
>>>
>>> web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 07/19/2005 04:56:53 PM:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you add the comments from IBM that Giovanni has published on 
>>>>> the
>>> Easy400
>>>>> list at Yahoo I don't think you'll see many signs of IBM wanting 
>>>>> to
>>> enhance
>>>>> the product.
>>>>
>>>> I joined the Easy400 group on Yahoo, and went through and read the 
>>>> messages. It sounds like it's important that we get the word out to 
>>>> people!
>>>>
>>>> As such, I've contacted some people from the iSeries Network to see 
>>>> if they're interested in doing a news story on this.
>>>> --
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