Re: Who Uses WebSphere Express? -- WEB400

We had a very similar situation. Our plant production system can not be
slowed down. We can have a roll of cloth , come off the last machine about
one every 40 seconds. We were suggested another machine with web sphere.

It was over kill for what we needed. We just wanted a good internet
connection for our NY office and sales people.. We installed JadVantage  by
Bos. We Now have a clean cheap internet connection that takes little to no
resources.

I took about an hour to set up and secure. Can Webshpere top that for a
small company like us? We only have 2 IT Folks in our shop. I work full time
and my boss works 3 days a week until he retires..
As Always,
Robert G. Owens
Programmer/Systems Admin.
Concord Fabrics, Inc
owensr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

                    "nec scire fas est Omnia"
               it is not Gods will, We should know all
                           -----Horace-------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Lauritzen" <klauritzen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries" <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WEB400] Who Uses WebSphere Express?


> We have no desire for Java we do all development in RPG/CGI.
>
> We have had bad experiences with Java and recently that confirms our
> opinion of it. A timeclock solution that used Java and would never work
> right or if it did very slow and sucked the 400 dry.
>
> We had an 820 then and have an 810 now. IBM contention was that
> Websphere for use a web server needed to be separate from our production
> administration system for speed and security. Once we saw the costs and
> no other alternatives were even offered we did not bother to look at it
> very hard.
>
> I agree I am a bigot about this but for what we do (and what I hear form
> a lot of others) running RPG/CGI on the http is cheaper, easier and
> faster (development and use). Now websphere may have its place for
> others. But for most business that have staff in place you need to look
> at RPG/CGI and http. The overwhelming flood of websphere articles makes
> it seem like that is the only choice you have. I am all for solution
> that works is cost effective and is presented in context with reasonable
> alternatives. We have had very bad experiences. And I think most will
> agree websphere is the latest big push by IBM and little mention of
> RPG/CGI. At least give people some alternatives. That is what I like
> about the 400 it can do most anything and everything and you can do it
> one way and me another.  Neither of us is wrong just what works best for
> each of us.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web400-bounces+klauritzen=natlloyds.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:web400-bounces+klauritzen=natlloyds.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Joe Pluta
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:15 AM
> To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
> Subject: RE: [WEB400] Who Uses WebSphere Express?
>
> I don't understand what you're talking about, Karl.  Unless you have a
> very small machine, WebSphere Express runs fine, and it only costs about
> $2000, I think.
>
> What can WebSphere do for you?  It can allow you to create web
> applications on a standard web server supported by IBM.  Then, if you
> web serving requirements get large, you can then offload the web serving
> part to cheaper Linux or Window machines.  You can't move your web
> server off of the iSeries if you're doing RPG-CGI.
>
> As to what JSP Model II can do for you, that's a different story.  If
> you have no desire to learn Java or use JavaServer Pages, then RPG-CGI
> is fine for you.  But for people who need to move forward into web
> services and portals and other new interfaces, Java is a better way to
> go, and that means JSP Model II.
>
> Joe
>
>
> > From: Karl Lauritzen
> >
> > IBM came in here with proposal to buy a separate machine just for
> that.
> > They said with all we do and wanting to run our business on web we
> > needed a separate machine just for websphere.
> > That was just the start by the time they were done they were up to
> about
> > 300,000 in purchases.
> >
> > We set up http on our one and only 400 and with Brads CGIDEV2 book and
> a
> > lot of trial and error programming we now run all our business on web.
> > The cost $300 and our time. We have even added an imaging system with
> > access via the web server,  a time clock and new form design tolls
> that
> > run on this one 400.  And we get complimented all they time by our
> > customers on how fast our web site is compared to our competitors.
> >
> > And it was not just one IBM BP it was multiple.  No one ever brought
> up
> > the possibility of use of CGI and http. Makes you wonder where they
> are
> > coming from. I just stumbled upon it in researching Lansa type stuff
> as
> > alternative solutions.
> >
> > So websphere is a bad word around here. Also I see nothing that it can
>
> > do for us except put a lot of money in someone's else's pocket.
>
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