RE: Who Uses WebSphere Express? -- WEB400

We have no desire for Java we do all development in RPG/CGI.
 
We have had bad experiences with Java and recently that confirms our
opinion of it. A timeclock solution that used Java and would never work
right or if it did very slow and sucked the 400 dry.

We had an 820 then and have an 810 now. IBM contention was that
Websphere for use a web server needed to be separate from our production
administration system for speed and security. Once we saw the costs and
no other alternatives were even offered we did not bother to look at it
very hard. 

I agree I am a bigot about this but for what we do (and what I hear form
a lot of others) running RPG/CGI on the http is cheaper, easier and
faster (development and use). Now websphere may have its place for
others. But for most business that have staff in place you need to look
at RPG/CGI and http. The overwhelming flood of websphere articles makes
it seem like that is the only choice you have. I am all for solution
that works is cost effective and is presented in context with reasonable
alternatives. We have had very bad experiences. And I think most will
agree websphere is the latest big push by IBM and little mention of
RPG/CGI. At least give people some alternatives. That is what I like
about the 400 it can do most anything and everything and you can do it
one way and me another.  Neither of us is wrong just what works best for
each of us. 
  



-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces+klauritzen=natlloyds.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:web400-bounces+klauritzen=natlloyds.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Pluta
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:15 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: RE: [WEB400] Who Uses WebSphere Express?

I don't understand what you're talking about, Karl.  Unless you have a
very small machine, WebSphere Express runs fine, and it only costs about
$2000, I think.

What can WebSphere do for you?  It can allow you to create web
applications on a standard web server supported by IBM.  Then, if you
web serving requirements get large, you can then offload the web serving
part to cheaper Linux or Window machines.  You can't move your web
server off of the iSeries if you're doing RPG-CGI.

As to what JSP Model II can do for you, that's a different story.  If
you have no desire to learn Java or use JavaServer Pages, then RPG-CGI
is fine for you.  But for people who need to move forward into web
services and portals and other new interfaces, Java is a better way to
go, and that means JSP Model II.

Joe


> From: Karl Lauritzen
> 
> IBM came in here with proposal to buy a separate machine just for
that.
> They said with all we do and wanting to run our business on web we 
> needed a separate machine just for websphere.
> That was just the start by the time they were done they were up to
about
> 300,000 in purchases.
> 
> We set up http on our one and only 400 and with Brads CGIDEV2 book and
a
> lot of trial and error programming we now run all our business on web.
> The cost $300 and our time. We have even added an imaging system with 
> access via the web server,  a time clock and new form design tolls
that
> run on this one 400.  And we get complimented all they time by our 
> customers on how fast our web site is compared to our competitors.
> 
> And it was not just one IBM BP it was multiple.  No one ever brought
up
> the possibility of use of CGI and http. Makes you wonder where they
are
> coming from. I just stumbled upon it in researching Lansa type stuff
as
> alternative solutions.
> 
> So websphere is a bad word around here. Also I see nothing that it can

> do for us except put a lot of money in someone's else's pocket.

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