RE: Linux LPAR running Sun Java System Active ServerPages:Is such a thing possible?

Pete,

Keep in mind too, you asked about ASP, and now you're mentioning .NET. These 
are two different animals. Roughly akin to asking if you could run RPG/400 code 
on a PC, and then talking about RPG/IV and ILE.

It's no secret here that I'm a pro-MS kind of guy, however, what do you mean by 
"evaluate the REALITY of Microsoft's..."? Are you questioning that they're in 
the market to stay? 

FWIW, here's my take on the issue. Pick Java/JSP or .NET/ASP is doesn't matter. 
Both are very powerful, robust, enterprise ready toolsets that are here to 
stay. If I had to put a % on it, I'd say that as time moves forward you'll find 
40-45% on MS tools, 40-45% on Java and all the others tools (PHP, ColdFusion, 
Perl, etc.) combined will account for the remaining 20-10% of the market.

If you've already made a decision to go w/Java great! I don't see a reason to 
change. As for your president finding a cool .NET tool, what is it? I'm sure 
the Java world has a similar tool.

-Walden


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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Pete Helgren
Sent: Wed 21-Apr-04 11:02 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: [WEB400] Linux LPAR running Sun Java System Active ServerPages:Is 
such a thing possible?



Thanks Walden,

I forgot about the "rest of the story" with .asp (COM).

We continue to evaluate the reality of Microsoft's presence in the
marketplace .vs. being more open and platform neutral with our development.
We headed down a Java path then were confronted with some learning curve
issues that seemed to indicate that sticking with RPG might make sense
(although we lose platform neutrality).  We sorted through the options and
decided that Java WAS the right direction but on some "immediate need"
projects we would use RPG.  Now the company President and VP of Marketing
have become enamored with a .net based tool that is very cool, very
productive but undermines our existing strategy of platform neutrality (and
we can't even run it on an iSeries).  That is what triggered the question.

Just when we think it is safe to proceed, some "new thing" appears that
distracts us (well, at least some of us)

Thanks for weighing in.

Pete


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Walden H. Leverich
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:04 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: [WEB400] Linux LPAR running Sun Java System Active Server
Pages:Issuch a thing possible?


The animal exists (http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/) and it looks
like it's the chilisoft package, I guess Sun bought Chilisoft. However, I
think you'll hit two problems:

1) I don't see, and doubt there is, a version for Power-based machines.
Linux, yes, but you need Linux on Power.

2) The power of ASP isn't in it's native language, but in it's ability to
access COM objects, be they ones you write (business logic in VB, C++,
etc.), MS provided ones (Word, Excel, MSXML, etc.) or third party ones
(ASP.Mail, FileUpload, Bob's Big COM Object, etc.) Since you're not likely
to see an implementation of these objects on Java anytime soon I think the
theory is better than the reality.

Having said that, if you were looking to write _new_ code using ASP
developers in a Java environment this might be an option. There is nothing
you can do in ASP w/COM that you can't do in ASP w/Java Objects. Of course
it's all done differently, so they'd have to learn a new object model. And
if they're going to learn that much new stuff, you might as well teach them
JSP too.

Oh and note the requirements. It's not "linux" it's "Linux with kernel 2.4
and GLIBC 2.2.5. The Linux world is getting _so_ complex it's not funny.
Imaging an iSeries program (not one from IBM) that ran on OS/400, as long as
it was V5R1 with PTF SF123455 and MF98765 and not SF11212. Uggghhhh!

-Walden

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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Pete Helgren
Sent: Tue 20-Apr-04 7:32 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: [WEB400] Linux LPAR running Sun Java System Active Server Pages:
Issuch a thing possible?



So you have an iSeries running a Linux LPAR.  Sun says they have Sun Java
System Active Server Pages 4.0 that will allow active server pages to run on
Linux.  So, can we have an iSeries running .asp pages using Linux in an LPAR
running Sun Java System Active Server Pages 4.0?

Not is this practical, or even recommended.  Is is possible?

Anyone heard of such an animal?

Different mailing list perhaps (Midrange-L)?


Pete Helgren
Timpanogos Technologies, Inc
801.892.9106 x 202



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