I wrote that message this AM, I have no idea why it took 12 hours to hit the list. Anyway, I sent it before your most recent exchange with David. I agree with some of what you say, and all I ever attempt to do is provide people with an explanation of what Struts is. My main disagreement is that many of your statements seem to be based on the Struts JSP tags, and they just are not what Struts is. The thing I find most ironic is that you keep talking about JSP Model II, which I agree is the best architecture, but that is what Struts is -- an implementation of that architecture. I do not think I have ever read a book or article that talks about JSP Model II that does not mention Struts. That is not to say you cannot implement JSP Model II without Struts. It is just that the entire point of Struts is to allow you to implement that architecture and you keep slamming it. There is nothing wrong with using scriptlets with Struts, you can do whatever you want for the view layer, including not using JSP at all. As you are well aware, the whole point is just not to use scriptlets to do things like run SQL queries or things like that. If you want to do loops or conditions with scriptlets instead of JSTL or the Struts Logic tags that is fine. Mark To: "'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'" <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc: bcc: Subject: RE: [WEB400] Struts "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/10/2003 06:21 PM Please respond to Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries <font size=-1></font> > From: Mark Phippard > > I normally just monitor this list on the Archives, but I felt compelled to > subscribe so I can post a response on this Struts question. > > Joe, some of your responses show that you do not really know what Struts > is. Mark, did you read all of my responses before you started whacking me? I know full well what Struts is. However, the Struts advocates always say (as David did) that Struts is better than JSP/servlet. The Controller architecture by itself works with JSP and scriptlets - it's not until you attach a specific taglib that you replace JSP. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about it. You use Struts, great, but there at least a dozen competing technologies. I just get tired of hearing people say that Struts provides MVC architecture for JSP/servlet technology. That's not true. JSP Model II provided that long before Struts, and Struts is simply one guy's implementation of an architecture. It's not a standard. It's not a technology. It's not an architecture. It's one man's implementation. And there are better (and worse) ones out there. > It allowed me to easily > develop a "Model" that can be used in any Java application, regardless of > whether Struts is involved. Me, I just leave the whole Struts part out completely! Anyway, we'll see. Lots of people use alternate techniques, and we'll see what prevails. Joe _______________________________________________ This is the Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries (WEB400) mailing list To post a message email: WEB400@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/web400 or email: WEB400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/web400.
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