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Joe, I made the argument for Custom tags over scriptlets at our shop and lost. Soon pages became more and more complex and things started to break down. Debugging scriptlets is difficult, tools are behind Java tools used to develop tags, and for the most part you have all of the tag functionality you need with JSTL. Your Struts example would be improved through the use of JSTL and the JSTL expression language. Here is something similar with struts: <table> <thead> <tr> <th align="left"><bean-el:message key="text.delete" /></th> <th align="left"><bean-el:message key="text.customer.name" /></th> <th align="left"><bean-el:message key="text.customer.address" /></th> <th align="left"><bean-el:message key="text.customer.city" /></th> <th align="left"><bean-el:message key="text.customer.state" /></th> <th align="left"><bean-el:message key="text.customer.email" /></th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <c:forEach var="customer" items="${customerListForm.customers}"> <tr> <td><html-el:checkbox styleClass="checkbox" name="customerListForm" property="deletes" value="${customer.id}" /></td> <td><c:url value="/customerListAction.do" var="editlink"> <c:param name="action" value="update" /> <c:param name="alpha" value="${customerListForm.alpha}" /> <c:param name="updateId" value="${customer.id}" /> </c:url> <a href='<c:out value="${editlink}" />'><c:out value="${customer.name}" /></a> </td> <td><c:out value="${customer.address1}" /></td> <td><c:out value="${customer.city}" /></td> <td><c:out value="${customer.state}" /></td> <td><c:out value="${customer.email}" /></td> </tr> </c:forEach> </tbody> </table> There are several advantages here provided by Struts. One is that the screen descriptions are softcoded (similar to using MSGID in DDS). Also, this is easy to debug as all logic is in real Java code. I don't see it as a problem to say that something you will treat as a list has to be either a Collection, Map, Object[], String, Array, Iterator or Enumeration. In my example, the form supporting the page has a List of Customer objects it. The Customer class was generated via Hibernate right off the iSeries (or MySql, Oracle, Postgres, etc). David Morris >>> joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/9/2003 2:02:00 PM >>> Here's my two cents: This is an example without Struts: <% List list = dvds.getDVDList(); for (Iterator i = list.iterator(); i.hasNext();) { DVD dvd = (DVD)i.next(); %> <tr> <td><%=dvd.getTitle()%></td> <td><%=dvd.getLength()%></td> <td><%=dvd.getActors()%></td> </tr> <% } %> This is the same example with Struts: <logic:iterate id="dvd" name="dvds" property="DVDList"> <tr> <td><bean:write name="dvd" property="title" /></td> <td><bean:write name="dvd" property="length" /></td> <td><bean:write name="dvd" property="actors" /></td> </tr> </logic:iterate> The argument for struts is that this is "cleaner". I guess that's because it all has nice <tag> and </tag> symmetry. Personally, I don't much see it being cleaner. I understand the upper code better than the lower. And the lower syntax is very confining, especially if my classes don't exactly conform to the JavaBean specification - let's say one of my methods was "calculateTax". Unless I change that method name to "getTax", I will not be able to create a <bean:write> tag for it. Also, my object of type "dvds" has to be of a specific interface - one that supports the "iterator" method. I suggest taking a LOT of time to read the Struts tag library to make sure you realize what you're getting yourself into. Struts is fine if you like having your language dictate how you write your application. Me, I'll stick with my own code. Joe
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