Jim,

That's why I mentioned bundling it with the development tools. That's licensed to the system, not by user. The number of installs (probably the vast majority of systems sold) would more than pay for RDi development and support.

-mark

On 1/30/2018 12:45 PM, Jim Oberholtzer wrote:
Mark,

I understand the sentiment, however that ship sailed a long time ago. Each
of the IBM products has to stand on its own financially now, so bundling the
RDi into the complier would not fit the new economic model. I would not
look for IBM to move that direction ever again.

Furthermore assuming P level tiered pricing, the P10 compiler (most of the
machines out there) is user based now, so let's say IBM does bundle the RDi
in with the compiler. Many of you (maybe most) have a compiler license for
3 to 5 compilers, meaning concurrent compile operations. RDi would bump the
cost way too high since now you have to buy a compiler license for each
developer, instead of all of them sharing a small number of them. Even
if IBM splits the difference with you and charges $500 for the RDi and then
the extra cost of the compiler (ILE btw, the OPM compiler would be much
more) would become very prohibitive.

Remember IBM does not make much money on the hardware. It's now all the
software where the revenue is.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects


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Jim, Brian,

I would much rather that IBM nominally bumps the compiler or WDS bundle
price (maybe by $100?) for everyone and includes RDi as part of either of
those (most likely it would be WDS).

-mark

On 1/30/2018 9:43 AM, Jim Oberholtzer wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment:

There are at least two great open source editors out there. Orion
which is free (5733-OPS) and Liam Allan has published his version called
ILEditor.
See: http://worksofbarry.com/ileditor

So now the question: Do you want IBM spending time/money on a lite
version of RDi, taking away resources from the full RDi product, or
would you like them to concentrate solely on the full RDi product and
allow the open source community to develop your lite versions?

I vote open source.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects


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Parkins
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There is an request (RFE) for an RDi-Lite version which would be free
or at least much cheaper. It's status is currently "Under
Consideration." So at least IBM is thinking about it.

You can add your vote at:

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rfe/execute?use_case=viewRfe&CR_ID=
1
08558

developerWorks requires an IBM ID for which registration is free.

Michael Quigley
Computer Services
The Way International

Thx for highlighting this RFE - it has my vote!

Brian.


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