Re: RDI vs WDSC, boring license question

Does not include DBU, that is by ProData, that is outside of the development tool set... <LOL>


-Ken Killian-
Senior IBM i Developer using Rational Developer for I RDI 9.5.1
Running IBM I, that supports: Java, PHP, Ruby/Ruby on Rails, Python, Node JS, RPGLE


-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:08 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDI vs WDSC, boring license question

Comment about SEU being billable - SEU is part of ADTS (Application Development ToolSet) - this includes SDA, RLU, DBU, SEU, and PDM, at least - there are a couple other things, I think.

RDi is intended to replace ADTS, and there is a trade-up (trade-in?) of seats of ADTS for seats of RDi - now when you get to 6.1 or 7.1, you get a number of "seats" of ADTS (we had 25 on each LPAR) that you can trade for RDi - it's an accounting kind of sleight of hand, I think. But it does benefit us, as we get a good discount.

Now if you have traded for 4 seats of RDi, you still have 21 of ADTS - so you still have SEU and PDM and all that. There's nothing I know of where seats are tied to user profiles.

So SEU being chargeable? Yep - as part of ADTS, which is the real chargeable product.

There is a thing called Application Management ToolSet - AMTS - this is essentially PDM and SEU that can edit only CL, commands, and text source members. According to an article by Jon Paris & Susan Gardner ( http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/Blogs/iDevelop/Archive/amts-pdm-without-pdm/
), it is dirt cheap and not user-based licensing. As they say, if you get a new machine, you don't get ADTS automatically - you might want your developers to have only RDi for development - then you can get AMTS for its useful tools.

Cheers
Vern

On 9/20/2016 3:55 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

On Mon, 2016-09-19 at 21:36 +0100, Neill.Harper@xxxxxxxx wrote:

Hi Everyone

Its been a long time since I posted on any of these lists, as I have been distracted with lots of boring .net stuff.

However we have finally moved from V5R4 to 7.1, that combined with the possibility of a couple of trainees starting has turned my attention back to all things IBM.

I'm looking to use a combination of qaxis HTTP API and Scott K's YAJL wrapper to put together a POC to call one of our .net RESTFUL services. If successful, I'd like to set the trainee's the task of using the technology to link into various parts of our system and actually do something useful.

I'd prefer them to learn in an IDE, as there is more chance of things sticking as they will be using Visual Studio as well, and if they are using an IDE, then it probably should be the latest available.

On to the questions

1) Are most people using RDI now?
2) Do any still sue WDSC?
3) Do any still just use SEU

I use WDSC because its the only version I can use. I also use SEU now
and then. Both on/with PUB400 as I'm not currently gainfully employed as
a programmer so its a learning/re-learning exercise.

All that said, I noticed that there is something called Orion which is
part of 5733 and available as a PTF. A quick look seems to suggest that
"on line" editor works with [free form] RPG and also has links/hooks
into Git (for those that use it).

I'm not totally sure what its intended market is, but my guess is
something to do with bluemix developer works "cloud based
computing/development". (It looks similar, but that is as far as my
knowledge goes.)

Perhaps its a modern replacement for SEU, or at least the editor part?
(Although my impression, with a very brief perusal, is its the Git and
other languages that is its main audience, but it was easy to half inch
RPG editing/validation into it(1)) But that then raises the question of
cash as it seems to be free at the moment... which is kind of at odds
with the cost of RDi and, if I recall correctly, the cost of SEU (I'm
sure SEU is/was still chargeable?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fbrQwBKQ_I << Link to Orion video.

Jon.


(1) I guess with RPG editing available via java code from within RDi
makes it fairly easy to transfer/translate it into a web front end,
although I am unsure just how much is running in the browser and what it
runs under, such as javascript or browser java.

With regards to RDI from what I can see the floating license is a no brainer, we have a lot of very talented and experienced developers who feel more at home in SEU, but a few people that will prefer RDI. I cant see any reason to go for the more expensive Authorised user option, does anybody have a good reason why someone might consider it.

Thank

Neill