Thanks Ken T! Nice & succinct.
After using an IDE in college for basic, Visual Basic, C, C# and java, getting to use RDI was wonderful! I thought to myself about time! 9-years ago...
I have given up trying to convince my fellow RPGer to use RDI. I am just a "broken record". You can lead a horse to water, but not make them drink. I give up, and say okay, I will show you in Green screen, so I don't hear them whine...
Running debug and I have my program issue this command:
DSPJOB OUTPUT(*PRINT) OPTION(*JOBLOG)
Which is normally very good to help me track down errors.
But the program blows up! Wow!
So I did it at the command line:
DSPJOB OUTPUT(*PRINT) OPTION(*JOBLOG)
Function check. MCH0801 unmonitored by QMHDSPJL at statement *N,
instruction X'0334'.
Why would DSPJOB at the Green-Screen command line blow up????????
Maybe I need to reload the IBM i OS, to try to resolve this issue! <Evil Smirk>
Sorry, I couldn't resist! <smirk>
This just happen on our box with 7.2. It works okay works okay on our production box, which is at 7.1.
Who knows? Maybe there is a bug in IBM i 7.2. Our system administrator is going to install the latest greatest PTF tomorrow on our development box. Maybe it is possible that IBM i 7.2 caused some issue with my RDI? I don't know.
I am not afraid to admit I am clueless... But, so far my RDI is NOT locking up. <Big Smile>
-Ken Killian-
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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tarr, Kenneth
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 8:56 AM
To: 'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDI 9.1.1.1 unable to add break-point...
Ken (from another Ken)...
I too at times have experienced some RDi freezups, and in some cases have come across a few little workarounds to make the experience less painful. At the same time, I do admit RDi has made me much more productive, especially with the Debug tool. I've mastered the process of doing a parallel debug with the tool; that is, having two simultaneous debug sessions that give me a much better picture of an application between its current version and a modified one. Granted the information presented on the screen can get confusing, it is still an eye opener on figuring out a problem (i.e. you are monitoring the same field in both programs, they both show in the Monitors view, but unless you know which is which, you can't tell which one it is associated with because all that is shown is the field name and not the application (and more specifically library) its associated with).
I've tried to get most of my colleagues engaged with the product, but it appears I am the only one vigorously using it. I've gotten to the point that, if they see me using it and they ask, I will tell them, otherwise I feel in the current atmosphere it is a waste of time.
I remember those memory leak issues from RDP V8.5 as well. That was why I turned on the Heap Status (under Preferences, General, and checked the Show Heap Status box) so I could see how it was leaking, and when it got close to the 1024K max, just did a restart to avoid the problems (I even went and tweaked the product to have a max heap of 1536K to do it less often; 2048K didn't work). But I haven't had to do that since RDi V9.0 came out. It still leaks in my opinion, but much less to where I haven't had to do a restart now in ages for that reason.
I am anxious to see what RDi V9.5 has to offer, and do agree with another posting that I hope IBM has learned from their previous releases (and mistakes) to perform due diligence in making sure things from the past don't come back to haunt them.
-- Ken
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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Killian
Sent: September 04, 2015 07:39 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDI 9.1.1.1 unable to add break-point...
That could be it...
RDI works great, as long as I do not use debug. About 95% of the time it flawless! But, that 5% can painful, especially when you are in the "zone", and then it happens. It locks ups, unexpected results.
I have convinced a lot of RPGer to use RDI, and try to be proponent of it. My friend Phil, is now a big fan of RDI. I tried to get him to use it when I was working with him. He always told me "Maybe Later". Now that he moved about 3-hours away, he rants and raves about it! He said he wish he started using it earlier! I said I tried to convince you. <smirk> I send email tips on using RDI via email to my friends. He didn't release that RDI 9.1.1.1 had been out for 5-months.
But, when trying to get work done, and RDi blows up, stops working, can be infuriating! I need to stock my desk with snickers! I have been bad. Which is why I posted video/pictures to show what happens. I cannot make this stuff up!
As a developer, I know that I ask my users to duplicate the issue, so that I can fix it. Sadly, I have to find the error, and duplicate the error. I get the typically "it is broken"... <LOL> No screen shots.
I asked our 1 of 3 EDI Developers, if he encountered the milk-white screen, he says maybe once. I said 1 of 3, because only 1 use RDI, the other two use SEU. He doesn't have milky white issues. For me, it normally RARE! But to get two in a day, even after a restart is absurd!
I got another Senior RPGLE to use RDI by bragging how great the debugger in RDI can be, especially for when a web-service that calls an RPGLE program in the back ground! Just use the SEP (Service Entry Point), and no matter how the program is started, it will pop up in Debug! Just because of that he started using RDI! <Joy Joy>
Sadly, he had issues on RDI debug. I have gone over to his cubicle, and explain to him how RDI works. With this Senior developer, it was completely a training/configuration issue. He compiled the program in the wrong library. Etc. He just needed a second pair of eyes. Since he is a newbie to RDI, he got confused. He said he was NOT able to save his change source, because the save-icon was grey out. I said, yup, IBM does not KNOW how to enable the save-icon button. Sorry, do ctrl+S to save. He is a 30 year plus RPGer, and said "REALLY?"... Okay, I will write that down "Ctrl+S" to save source. Why can't they fix it? Well, I reported back in April of 2014, and still not fixed.
My RDI issues are NOT new, they happen on my old laptop too. RDI 8.5 had a serious memory leak, and would just end. No warning, no notice, just quit. I thought I was going crazy for several months. Then IBM admitted that they introduced a "memory leak". That was finally fixed. RDI 9 had when you scrolled in the outline view, it would jump your cursor around. You would lose your place. Was not broken in the previous release, but got busted in the new release. Suddenly, the on-line help, stop showing the "index" to look up information in the manuals. I reported, and it was fixed too. I notice a pattern here, of things working in previous release, then suddenly being broken on new release. Sorry, the introduction of new releases by IBM has been terrible on RDI!
I hope & pray that IBM does a Quality check before releasing RDI 9.5.
I am working on a company Laptop. And I have to tell them to reload Windows, because one software does not work? Just for stab in the dark. How to I explain this to my boss? Fine, I have put in request this morning to our help-desk as follows:
***********************************************************
I am using IBM Rational Developer, and it has been suggested that I might have a problem with Windows. I only seem to have issues with IBM Rational Developer software. I get a "Milky-White" screen, and the IBM Rational Developer software becomes unresponsive.
But, it has been suggested to me to have my computer formatted and reloaded. Can I get a loaner PC, and get my laptop RELOADED to maybe resolve this problem. I guess that will knock out any possible windows issues. Thanks!
I am going on business trip on September 19, so it would be nice if it could be complete before that trip. Thanks again.
Internal Fix request# 142021
***************************************************************************
I wonder what my boss will say, when he reads that request. It has to be approved by him, before the work can start.
Believe me, I much rather have the product work, and have no room to complain! The quality of the product should speak for itself. Thankfully, I seem to be in Minority!!!!! I can honestly say 90% of my errors happen in Debug, which I do most of my work...
My other co-worker, does not use RDI debug much as I do. So he does not have debug issues. Most other developer use Green-screen debug. Oh well, I was so thankful to catch it on video and pictures. Sorry for the shaking video, but I was holding the camera in one hand, and then trying to type with one finger/hand.
All I want is a Stable Rock-solid IDE. Product Quality should speak for itself, users should be "bragging" how solid it and how great the product saves time!
Gee, telling the other RPGLE developers that to fix IBM Rational Developer, that *might* have to get their laptop reformatted and reload to get IBM rational developer working properly... I will get the typical, "That is why I don't even try Rational Developer, and we don't have those issues with "SEU". How can I point out they are wrong?
Maybe that is why my passion are so strong...
Because I am passionate about good software, and my beloved MODERN Power system running IBM i. Not the Univac/400 punch card machine as it often called. I say it can run PHP, RUBY, NodeJS, etc...
I get the alright, "Prove it". Sadly, I have to say I don't know how to do it. And the Microsoft developers say we can do it NOW today. And we now outnumber you Univac types. We have evolved past Green-Screens/punch cards, we can do GUI! My area went from 4 RPGers and one Microsoft developer to the opposite. 1-RPGer, me, and 4 Microsoft developers. Yeah, I see the writing on the wall, I am NOT DUMB, nor BLIND.
Side note, I have been an RPGer for over 25-years, and first got certified in 1999. I only got certified in ILE RPG because my previous employer wanted all his people to be certified, and he paid for the test, if you passed. I of course passed! <grin>
This is my Platform, and I "want" to brag about it. But, it seems to be harder to do. I need to eat my snicker's bar and/or "M&M", and breathe deeply.
-Ken Killian-
-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 5:24 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDI 9.1.1.1 unable to add break-point...
Maybe we need to send Ken a Snickers!
Thanks,
Scott Johnson
-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Yeung
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 4:17 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDI 9.1.1.1 unable to add break-point...
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Dan <dan27649@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ken, since you hold the position that IBM development software sucks
and Microsoft development software is flawless [...]
To be fair, Ken has shown himself to be a huge RDi fan on numerous occasions, and an IBM i fan in general. I'd say he's effusive of IBM about as often as he's critical. It just usually comes in bursts one way or the other.
John Y.
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