Re: RDi renewal - was "RDi stops responding during interactive debug"

Hi Vern
Actually we have made ADTS to RDi swaps possible in PPA as well.

Here are the DSW part numbers you would use:
ADTS to RPG and COBOL Edition D0C5HLL
ADTS to +Java Edition D0ZNJLL
ADTS to +EGL Edition D0ZNLLL




From: Vernon Hamberg <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 08/13/2015 04:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi renewal - was "RDi stops responding during
interactive debug"
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Hi Edmund

A question, of course - with a preface.

There is the trade-up option, to swap ADTS seats for RDi seats - this is
available through the AAS system, through a business partner.

Do you know if this can be done directly through Passport Advantage.
Considering Bill's explanation, I suspect not, if PPA doesn't speak AAS.

It has been convenient to have the AAS swap option here - we have no
distributed software otherwise.

Thanks
Vern

On 8/13/2015 1:28 PM, Edmund Reinhardt wrote:

Hi Greg, here is a response from our product manager.
HTH
Edmund
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Hi Greg,

Rational Developer for i (RDi) is a type of product that IBM categorizes

as

"distributed software" -- a stand-alone software product with its own
maintenance agreement. IBM markets a portfolio of thousands of

distributed

software products. The Passport Advantage system is our infrastructure
designed to fulfill this type of software. Accordingly Passport was
designed with the capability to generate maintenance renewal quotes for
distributed software.


The "AAS" system that Edmund referred to, is infrastructure designed for
fulfilling hardware systems and their associated, so-called "entitled
software" (OS, compilers, etc.) which together fall under a group
maintenance agreement that is associated with the system's serial number

(a

construct that Passport is completely unable to deal with). Throughout

its

decades of service, the AAS system has **never** had the ability to
generate renewal reminders for distributed software. And for most (I

would

venture 99%+) of our customers who fulfill product through AAS, this has
never been an issue. Thus there is not a compelling business case for
making the costly and potentially disruptive investment in AAS to enable

it

to generate distributed software renewal quotes.


RDi is a special case. It is one of a very small number of distributed
software products that we've chosen to enable for sale through both AAS

and

Passport. You've experienced the one major drawback of that choice. So
why did we choose to do it? Because there is a compelling business case
that outweighs the drawback: it enables our systems remarketers to

include

the modern development tools when they sell IBM i systems, without

forcing

their customers to hold their product entitlements in two different IBM
fulfillment systems.


In defense of the software entitlement person you spoke with: in large

and

complex companies like IBM, specialization is unavoidable. That includes
specialization of systems, as I just described. Also specialization of
skills. Likely the person you spoke to is not an "idiot" but instead a
"specialist", trained to support distributed software products and
knowledgeable about Passport, yet perhaps completely unaware of AAS'
existence. RDi, while "dual pipe enabled" as I have just described, is
still considered distributed software. So a distributed software
specialist is likely to be the first person you'll be routed to with
questions about it.

So to summarize:

Your concern has been heard and acknowledged

I apologize that a business case cannot be made for resolving it in

the

manner that you might prefer (i.e. an extensive investment in

modifying

the AAS infrastructure). This has nothing to do with off-shoring or
what-have-you, it is simply the outcome of a reasoned business

decision

that required us to weigh some trade-offs

You do have choices regarding who you purchase RDi from. That choice
will determine which infrastructure the product will be fulfilled

from

When you fulfill RDi through the hardware distribution channel and

the

AAS infrastructure that supports it, you are then responsible to set

up

your own reminders of when your RDi maintenance agreements will come

up

for renewal

Or, if you currently hold RDi entitlements in AAS and would like to

have

them moved to Passport, you may request an entitlements migration.

Fair

warnings:
a) you'll start with RDi Client Support (so the issue gets

properly

tracked as a PMR), and then it may take a few "hops" to find and
engage the right person who'll know how to help you with this
b) there will be paperwork involved (because, for example, you

have

never previously accepted the Passport Advantage legal T&Cs

relative

to your RDi purchase(s)
c) all of your other IBM i-related software (e.g. compilers) and
hardware entitlements will remain in AAS (because it is the only
infrastructure capable of fulfilling those product types).


Thanks,
Bill
_________________________________________________________________
William T. Smith
Senior Product Lines Manager:
- Rational Application Developer
- Rational Developer for i and Rational Development Studio for i
- Rational Asset Manager
- Rational Professional Bundle

IBM | Systems | Middleware | Product Management and Design
(720) 430-9889 | t/l 912-9889 / (971) 207-2499 (mobile) /
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From: Greg Wilburn <gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries'"

<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: 08/12/2015 01:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Fw: RDi stops responding during

interactive debug

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Pretty sad when IBM is struggling to increase revenue and they're

basically

ignoring money already on the table. Makes me wonder where else this is
happening.

It just seems so difficult to deal with them anymore.... they (IBM) take
the easiest thing and make it so difficult.

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