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Re: Outline View


Hey Kurt,

I believe you are right as I remembered that too. I searched and found:
APAR SE59296 - RDI 9.1.0 LPEX EDITOR FIND DIALOG TAB TRAVERSAL ORDER IS
INCORRECT
Which shows as fixed for 9.1.1 but it seems to be one of those things that
make you go hmmmm....

Mike



Mike Hockings, M.Eng., P.Eng.
IBM Rational Developer for System z and Power Systems Software Technical
Support
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From: Kurt Anderson <Kurt.Anderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2015-01-27 15:08
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View
Sent by: "WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



I could have sworn I opened one for this back in 9.1 Unfortunately the way
APAR subscriptions changed, my massive list of apars are no longer split
out in to the folders I had for them. Plus - the "View" link simply brings
me to a page to see notifications for the apar, and not the actual apar
itself. So I have no clue what half the apars I'm subscribed to are about.
I could search the internet for each apar number, but I don't have time for
that. </vent>


Kurt Anderson
Sr. Programmer/Analyst - Application Development, Service Delivery Platform

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Edmund
Reinhardt
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 7:34 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View


Matt, thanks for figuring out why it switches behavior. It is not no
longer a mystery.
I have sent a note to the developer to fix it. But it would help if we had
a PMR to go with it.
Who knows, we might get a testfix out for this since it is such a hot
button issue. But I can't do that without a PMR.



Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
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From: Greg Wilburn <gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries'" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 23/01/2015 05:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View
Sent by: "WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



THANKS MATT!

I turned that off also... VERY annoying.

It also changes the tab order.

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler,
Matt
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 3:46 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Clientfor
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

Incremental find is an option in the Preferences->LPEX Editor->Find
preferences. I can make the problem with incremental find occur for all
newly opened LPEX edit sessions. So it the problem does not occur then set
it on, close any open LPEX edit views and the open a member for
edit. The tabbing problem should appear. Follow same steps for
turning it off.

Incremental find is feature of find that positions the edit view to the
first matching occurrence of the find string. It annoys me so it leave
it off.


Thanks, Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg
Wilburn
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:48 AM
To: 'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
forSystem i & iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

Edmund... I already have 2 APARs... feel guilty opening another.

Matt - I don't use incremental find, and I don't see where I would
"uncheck" it. CTRL-F is find.

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler,
Matt
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Clientfor
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

I only notice this behavior when in use incremental find. Unchecking
incremental find the tab goes left to right, top to bottom.

Thanks, Matt


-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Edmund
Reinhardt
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:32 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
forSystem i & iSeries
Cc: Ben Horwood
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View


I agree that at a minimum it should not go to the checkboxes on the bottom
but at least to the 3 buttons before getting to Replace. The current
behaviour does appear to be a bug.
Has anyone opened a PMR?



Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
Technical Architect for Rational Developer for i






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From: Greg Wilburn <gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere
Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries'"
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 23/01/2015 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View
Sent by: "WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



The Tab should position to the next logic data entry point - that's true
for all applications I've ever used.
In RDi, after pressing CTRL-F to invoke Find/Replace it "jumps over" the
REPLACE text box and focuses on the "Case Sensitive" checkbox.

I don't see how anyone can argue that is "standard behavior" for any
application.

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Edmund
Reinhardt
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:43 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View


As we can see some people want the Tab key to follow user interface
standards of Left-Right and others want to follow the task flow priority.
So no matter what we do, some will be unhappy.
I think Buck's solution of Alt-P was the most usable and it can be done
today.



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From: Ken Killian
<kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Rational Developer for
IBM i / Websphere
Development
Studio
Client for System
i & iSeries"
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 22/01/2015 03:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L]
Outline View
Sent by: "WDSCI-L"
<wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Kurt,

Nope, I have created new workspaces, and still not resolved.

www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg11SE61047

So, it is supposed to be "restored" sometime in the future... What once
work, will "eventually" work again...


-Ken Killian-


-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kurt
Anderson
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:31 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

The tab problem was introduced in 9.1 and not fixed in 9.1.1. So if you're
at 9.1, you already have the tab issue. (Unless it's due to a workspace
screwup?)

Kurt Anderson
Sr. Programmer/Analyst - Application Development, Service Delivery Platform

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg
Wilburn
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:21 PM
To: 'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

OK...

The tab-thing bothers me a great deal as well... especially since the
"replace text" never seems to get cleared.

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken
Killian
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:48 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

The control+F no longer place the high-lighted field in the Find Box like
EVERY OTHER programmer Editor on the planet. This is includes ECLIPSE!!!
Yes, this annoys me...

And also unlike every other editor on the place, when you do a Find &
Replace. The cursor normally position to the find field, and then you hit
tab ONCE, and it take you to the REPLACE field. Since that is MOST COMMON
reason to use find and Replace!

Except for SEU, which is outdated from the 70's or ealier... But even SEU
has the second tab as the REPLACE field!!! How about that?!?!?!

What is the most common Reason to use find & replace? To find a string &
replace it. The other functions are purely secondary. Why can the Next tab
stop be the replace? Yes, you can cut it down from 12 tabs stops down to
4. If you change your window preferences...

But, even Eclipse has a single tab to goto the replace field...
(Long standing issue here, nothing new...)

Over all, I like RDi 9.1.1., but the Ctrl+F not working like Eclipse annoys
me the most...

Most, but not all of us, are stuck navigating between a lots of different
tools. So, this basic find & replace function should be CONSISTENT across
editors. At least allow us to map it out to our preferences if nothing
else...

Because I am sure people "LOVE" to hit their tab button a lot...
<rant>

-Ken Killian-

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg
Wilburn
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:04 PM
To: 'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

OK... what is the CRTL-F issue? I agree that the collapsing outline view
is a big issue for me. But I thought I read something about CTRL-F no
longer functioning as "FIND/REPLACE"

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Edmund
Reinhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View


I think most on this list will agree that they are thankful to have moved
up to 9.1.1 Some of the complaints have been on new function that is not
even available on 9.1 (like the Multiple Occurrence highlighting).
If you insist on staying on 9.1, you can get a test fix for the associated
APAR.



Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
Technical Architect for Rational Developer for i



Phone: 1-905-413-3125 | Home: 1-905-854-6195

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From:
Greg Wilburn
<gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
"Rational Developer for
IBM i /
Websphere
Development Studio
Client for
System
i & iSeries"
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
22/01/2015 11:45 AM
Subject:
Re: [WDSCI-L]
Outline View
Sent by:
"WDSCI-L"
<wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



After watching some of the issues with 9.1.1, I'm not sure I want to do
that.

-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Edmund
Reinhardt
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:39 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View


This problem was fixed in 9.1.1, just get the update.



Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
Technical Architect for Rational Developer for i



Phone: 1-905-413-3125 | Home: 1-905-854-6195

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From:
Greg
Wilburn
<gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
"'WDSCI-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx'"
<WDSCI-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
22/01/2015 10:08 AM
Subject:
[WDSCI-L] Outline
View
Sent by:
"WDSCI-L"
<wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



I'm running v9.1... I have my view setup with the RPG source member full
screen and the outline view restored so that I can see both while editing
code. If you expand the files under Global Definitions so that you can see
field names, everything in the outline view "collapses" when you make a
change to the source member.

Is there a way to keep the outline view from collapsing?

Greg
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