"Comparisons to Microsoft products are apples to avocados. Microsoft uses their development tools as loss leaders and always has; they can afford to do so. Eventually they make up the money in Windows licenses or certification or whatever.
And don't blame the price tag anyway. IBM gave away WDSC and there was still almost zero support from the midrange community. If loss leaders don't eventually bring in money down the road, they become untenable.
Joe"
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I agree. I mean, as a start-up, IBM is up against some behemoth corporations. Oh wait - what are you talking about? It's like you're saying MS development tools lead people to Windows (the comment about Windows licenses), unless I'm misunderstanding it. Why can't IBM use the same business model? Even before when it was "free" we were really paying for it bundled up.
In my opinion, this new $ has become just another barrier to introduction to RPG. Don't get me wrong, the product is worth it, but so hard to make the sale. I believe IBM should be the one making the sale, not me (or at least provide me with the material to do so). I have programming to do! <tic> In fact, how many hours of my life has been wasted to discussing RDp tooling pricing? Probably not that many, but I'll tell you, much more than all the time I put into researching pricing for any other product that I buy at home (which I always research).
Joe, can you elaborate on, "still almost zero support from the midrange community." There seems to be this belief that IBM users, not IBM, should be marketing IBM's product. Sorry, this isn't a local bakery that I'm supporting. This is a multi-national corporation.
IBM seems to like to do this. Why do something yourself when you can make others do it? Why come up with a solid GUI when you can put the onus on companies that use it to develop their own. You can love the green screen all you want, but show it to any non-programmer who for some reason loves it and you'll hear words like 'antiquated' and 'ugly.' I'm not saying it can't do the job, but GUI can be designed to be as efficient as green screen for hard-core data entry and can be so much more. So when Aaron Bartell voices his opinion about this to Keynote speakers at conferences, I nod and say, "Amen, brother."
Hm, looks like when I got into the office that my can of tirade was left open all weekend.
-Kurt
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From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
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But as a weekend DIYer, I want/need the professional tool. I would
have to work my part-time gig for 6+ months sometimes just to buy the
initial tool. The cost is just too high for my budget (and many
others).
The base version of Visual Studio is $550 with no maintenance and
comes with many more tools and utilities. But then they started a new
program called WebSpark for people to get Microsofts dev tools. Its
free initially.
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Mike Wills
http://mikewills.me
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On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Joe Pluta<joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Let's say just for a giggle that RDP saves you an hour a week (and I
guarantee it saves me a lot more than that) over WDSC. That's 50
hours a year, give or take. So a quick divide tells me you consider
your time to be worth about four bucks an hour. Yeah, I know that
might be a bit over-simplified, but hopefully you get my drift. $800
just ain't that much as a one-time cost. It's the same reason
carpenters and mechanics spend way more for their tools than weekend do-it-yourselfers.
Joe
On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 18:03:40 +0100, Brian Parkins wrote:
A number of folk appear to be "stuck" on WDSc v7, or forced back on
to WDSc when their 60-day trial of RDP ends. Purely out of personal
curiosity, what would the price of RDP have to be to encourage you
to purchase it yourself?
I'd say $200/year would be about my limit, with $200 purchase price
with the first year's upgrades/patches included.
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