I'll have to respectfully beg to differ ... at least to qualify.
Sorry about that. I should have qualified myself. Just like I did HTML by
hand back in the day, I still do it that way today. The same is true for
_some_ of my Java thick client development. I usually do a drag 'n' drop
for the initial design (stumble through it) and then modify things by hand
from there. Call me old fashioned, but the ones I have used just aren't as
easy as Visual Studio and .NET <gulp> it took bravery to say that aloud :-)
Thanks for keeping me in line Bill,
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
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I'll have to respectfully beg to differ ... at least to qualify.
Neither WDSCi 6.0 or 7.0 fully supports Eclipse SWT, JFace, Eclipse plug-in
or Eclipse RCP for Java development. I have two open PMRs on the subject.
It seems that to save space the SWT/JFace documentation and Eclipse source
is left out. This cripples PDE, at least as far as using extension points
for plug-ins.
If the Java development contemplated is going to be based on JFC (Swing)
then I'll agree WDSCi 6.0 or 7.0 will work.
I have noticed a marked bias to not supporting the Eclipse UI. Funny if you
think about it, WDSCi is based on Eclipse widgets but all the iSeries
widgets provided for development are JFC. I mean if Eclipse (SWT) UI is
good enough for WDSCi why not use it for the applications you build with it?
Or at least give us a choice?
My conspiracy theory is that this is an attempt to mend fences with Sun.
Hey, but what do I know?
Regards
"albartell" <albartell@xxxxxxxxx>
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Hopefully Aaron will chip in here.
Can't ignore a call to action! (even if you meant a different Aaron) :-)
If you are going to do thick client Java development (which I have done
some, but a significant amount) then WDSC 6.x and 7.x will work for you (not
sure about 5.x). I am doing an article coming up in SystemiNetwork where I
need to build a sample thick client Java app to exemplify RPG component
re-use and I was planning on using some Matisse for that.
Some potentially good reading about Matisse which could be termed "Next
generation Swing":
http://www.developer.com/java/ent/article.php/3589961
http://www.myeclipseide.com/module-htmlpages-display-pid-5.html
With that said I plan on using my license of myeclipseide.com ($30/yr) to
build the app with Matisse.
On a final note, WDSC 7.x has example Java thick client applications you can
look at. Go to Help->Samples Gallery and then Technology
Samples->Java->SWT...
HTH,
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] How different is v7 from v5 ?
However, the abstract for the book refers to the "new" WebSphere
Studio 5.0. My question for the list, is how dated will this material
be? I expect the java beans / thick client stuff will have maintained
it's relevancy, but how much has the WDSC tooling changed in these
areas?
For instance, would you expect I would be able to follow along with
the examples from the book?
WDSC 5.0 is based on an antique version of Eclipse. WDSC 7 is based on
Eclipse 3.2. If you're basically doing Java, you may want to look at an
Eclipse book.
Not at all sure what WDSC brings to the table for a pure Java developer
because I'm an RPG guy. Hopefully Aaron will chip in here.
--buck
midrange.com
