Re: George Farr declares feature specificpricingonhorizonfor WDSC -- WDSCI-L

I think most peoples perceoption on free in this discussion relates to an
additional costs over and above. eg most sites will purchase the development
tools as a given, so most developers look at anything in that toolset as
free.

If IBM go down the road of selling each piece individually, most sites will
probably take up the most basic offering they need, and then developers will
have to go 'cap in hand' to their boss to request purchases of additional
items. We all know how much a battle thats gonna be if thats the case.


On 26/03/07, albartell <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


>Maybe the fact that you're an ISV, and therefore don't pay for your
software has clouded your perception.

I am sure it has clouded, but the bigger picture still remains.  If IBM
can
produce something that is good enough, there will be many that will pay
for
it.  Why?  For the same reasons people pay for every other tool in their
toolbox.  Why do people use VS.NET instead of SharpDevelop?  Why do people
run Windows vs. Linux?  Why do people pay for CMS packages like MKS,
Softlanding and Aldon when they could roll their own home grown - because
in
the end it is like purchasing manpower at a very cheap rate.

Why do I pay $40/year for MyEclipseIDE when all of the tooling in that IDE
is available for free?  Why do I pay any money at all when all that
tooling
is available in WDSC?... Simply because it has saved me enough time in the
long run that I can put a dollar amount to it.  Having used MyEclipseIDE I
now know it's feature set and would be willing to pay a couple hundred
dollars/yr for that tool.  Of course IBM is talking about charging a
couple
hundred for a single feature.  Maybe my perception is also clouded by the
fact that I am a consultant and any time I am not productive is time that
I
am not billing out.

>The toolset is not free.
Yep, I addressed that in my last response to you and I understand that it
is
not free.

>We, the end-user customer shops, pay dearly for it.
How much do you pay?  Here is the config of my machine and it appears that
the cost for 5722-WDS is $3,650.  I am guessing they have a different
price
based on processor group?
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog/linkto/systemiconfig.pdf

Aaron Bartell

-----Original Message-----
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On
Behalf Of John Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:28 AM
To: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] George Farr declares feature
specificpricingonhorizonfor WDSC



Aaron,

Do you not remember the days when the compilers and development tools were
all priced "by the piece"? We've already been down that road and it didn't
work well. The market isn't big enough to support that kind of pricing
structure. What do you think would happen to the Websphere tools if you
had
to pay for them separately? Since only a tiny percentage of iSeries shops
use Websphere, it would either die from lack of funding or --more likely--
would continue to be funded by transferring money out of the RPG
development
fees.

Maybe the fact that you're an ISV, and therefore don't pay for your
software
has clouded your perception. The toolset is not free. We, the end-user
customer shops, pay dearly for it.

Regards,

John Taylor


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of albartell
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:54 AM
> To: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries'
> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] George Farr declares feature specific
> pricingonhorizonfor WDSC
>
> You missed my point.  They DO NOT charge at the feature specific level
> (i.e.
> separately charging for the screen designer).  I completely understand
> that dollars are siphoned off the compiler money to help pay for WDSC
> and it is more "no additional charge" oriented.
>
> Being an ISV (or business partner, whatever they call it) my copy of
> WDSC _is_ "completely free" - just to clear the air.
>
> Aaron Bartell

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