Re: WDSCI-L Digest, Vol 4, Issue 571 -- WDSCI-L

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: EGL components (Michael Soucy)
   2. Re: EGL components (Duane Kehoe)
   3. Re: EGL components (Joe Pluta)
   4. Re: EGL components (Joe Pluta)
   5. WDSC and ReXX? ( was Re: WDSCI-L Digest, Vol 4,   Issue 565 )
      (qsrvbas@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
   6. Re: EGL components (Dean, Robert)
   7. Verifying Dates (Bill Barnes)
   8. Re: Verifying Dates (AGlauser@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
   9. Re: WDSC for Linux... (AGlauser@xxxxxxxxxxxx)

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message: 1
date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:55:47 -0500
from: "Michael Soucy" <michaelsoucy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL components

Also some other resources for learning EGL can be found on the following
web 
site:

http://www.jsayles.com/ibm/

There are a lot of tutorials and sample code on this web site.  Please
be 
advised some of the documentation applies to zSeries and not the
iSeries. 
Jon Sayles at IBM has been running some e-learning classes on the
subject 
that have been quite helpful to me.  The classes are FREE of charge.  If
you 
are interested in his classes send me a private email using my email
address 
below, and I'll give you his email address.  Jon is part of the IBM EGL
Eco 
Systems team.  I hope this was helpful.

Michael Soucy
Community Health and Counseling Services
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
michaelsoucy@xxxxxxxxxxx

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From: "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries"
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL components

Jerry,

There's a tutorial that helps you with the initial setup of EGL within

WDSCi.  Go to

Help -> Tutorials Galery -> Do and Learn -> Introducing EGL (a

quick-start

guide)

The first chapter helps you to enable EGL for your Web perspective.

hth,

Eric DeLong
Sally Beauty Company
MIS-Project Manager (BSG)
940-297-2863 or ext. 1863



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Subject: [WDSCI-L] EGL components


I'm interested in exploring EGL, but do not see any links in my WDSC
install to get me started. I seem to recall that EGL is installed as a
separate component (which I may have chosen to not install during my
initial install)... or am I mistaken?

I'm running Version: 6.0.1, Build id: 20050725_1800 with all current
updates.

Regards, Jerry

Gerald Kern - MIS Project Leader
Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
IBM Certified RPG IV Developer
The Toledo Clinic, Inc.
4235 Secor Road
Toledo, OH 43623-4299
Phone 419-479-5535
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message: 2
date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:25:00 -0600
from: Duane Kehoe <dkehoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL components

   Can someone from IBM speak up about this, I heard(from an IBMer) that
EGL
   was going to be opensourced and therefore I really do not understand
the
   concern as it could / would be available in base Eclipse products
   therefore automagically available in WDSC.  If someone from IBM could
   comment?

   Michael Soucy wrote:

 Also some other resources for learning EGL can be found on the
following web
 site:

 http://www.jsayles.com/ibm/

 There are a lot of tutorials and sample code on this web site.  Please
be
 advised some of the documentation applies to zSeries and not the
iSeries.
 Jon Sayles at IBM has been running some e-learning classes on the
subject
 that have been quite helpful to me.  The classes are FREE of charge.
If you
 are interested in his classes send me a private email using my email
address
 below, and I'll give you his email address.  Jon is part of the IBM EGL
Eco
 Systems team.  I hope this was helpful.

 Michael Soucy
 Community Health and Counseling Services
 Sr. Programmer/Analyst
 michaelsoucy@xxxxxxxxxxx


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 To: "Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries"
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL components


  

 Jerry,

 There's a tutorial that helps you with the initial setup of EGL within
 WDSCi.  Go to

 Help -> Tutorials Galery -> Do and Learn -> Introducing EGL (a
quick-start
 guide)

 The first chapter helps you to enable EGL for your Web perspective.

 hth,

 Eric DeLong
 Sally Beauty Company
 MIS-Project Manager (BSG)
 940-297-2863 or ext. 1863



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 [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces+edelong=sallybeauty.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
 Of GKern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:04 AM
 To: wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
 Subject: [WDSCI-L] EGL components


 I'm interested in exploring EGL, but do not see any links in my WDSC
 install to get me started. I seem to recall that EGL is installed as a
 separate component (which I may have chosen to not install during my
 initial install)... or am I mistaken?

 I'm running Version: 6.0.1, Build id: 20050725_1800 with all current
 updates.

 Regards, Jerry

 Gerald Kern - MIS Project Leader
 Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
 IBM Certified RPG IV Developer
 The Toledo Clinic, Inc.
 4235 Secor Road
 Toledo, OH 43623-4299
 Phone 419-479-5535
 gkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


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message: 3
date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:57:22 -0600
from: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL components

EGL is already a part of WDSC.  It's included in the standard edition
(with
the exception of the COBOL generation piece).  I've written a whole
series
of articles on the tool in MCPress Online; last Wednesday's was on the
UI
generation capabilities.

It's a powerful tool, with a great affinity for Java Server Faces (JSF)
and
a high-level language that generates Java code and SQL access, which I
don't
find to be powerful enough for business logic.  However, you CAN call
RPG
from EGL quite easily and I've been working with the EGL team to try to
get
persistence in that call mechanism.

All that being said, the unbundling of EGL from WDSC will mean that
anybody
who want to use the language will need to get approval from management
for
an additional line item for iSeries development, which is a really,
really
bad idea.

Joe

From: Dean, Robert

My mistake.  I was combining what you said with what someone else said
about it being available only in AE.

At any rate, Rational's representative at the WebSphere Tech Exchange

said

that they consider i and z Business Developers strategic.  I wouldn't

be

suprised if EGL is selected to be part of the WDz and WDSCi products

in

the same way that Remote Systems Exporer is included.




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message: 4
date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:58:46 -0600
from: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] EGL components

Jerry, read my other email.  I think EGL has a TON of potential as a way
to
quickly create powerful web pages using RPG for business logic.  My
problem
is that unbundling it will make it an extra-price item, and iSeries
developers have a hard enough time getting the base system approved.

Joe

From: GKern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thanks Joe.

I suppose it might just be better to wait this one out and maybe, just
maybe, Toronto will come up with an F spec keyword to support HTML
output... (but I won't hold my breath).




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message: 5
date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:49:30 -0800
from: qsrvbas@xxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: [WDSCI-L] WDSC and ReXX? ( was Re: WDSCI-L Digest, Vol 4,
        Issue 565 )

(Apologies to the list for the previous subject...)

wdsci-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

   3. Re: WDSCI-L Digest, Vol 4, Issue 562 (Buck)

understand and use.  Now I have to do it in Java, I think.  I'm

still

poking through the documentation, which is extensive :-/

Well, now, this has got me thinking... Since IBM's ObjectReXX went 
open-source, I wonder how easily it could be used in this area. I

need

to get back into it now to see how it could be tied in perhaps with a

basic Java "wrapper".


I spent several lunch hours and some time after hours to try to get

the

JLpex Java language equivalent of my Code400 ReXX macro running and

have

not been successful.


Note that I was considering "ObjectReXX" rather than simple ReXX. 
There are reasons for going the oRexx route. (I'd love to get oRexx 
working on my AS/400!)

Anyway, here's an example page that touches on interaction between 
Java and oRexx:

http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/resources.html

Search down for "The Augsburg Version of BSF4Rexx" and "Camouflaging 
Java as ObjectREXX" for example. Google shows numerous hits for the 
two languages together. When I see references to the two 
interacting, it catches my attention because I'm pretty good with 
ReXX but 'only an egg' with Java.

And ReXX has been on AS/400s from the start, so there's a chance 
that developers have had experience with it. oRexx can handle 
standard ReXX pretty much the same as the oRexx structure, so it 
_required_ to do much differently. And the object orientation 
provides a good introduction to some OO techniques at the same time.

If Java can be used simply as a gateway/wrapper, then perhaps 
creating oRexx macros might turn out to be very easy.

Tom