Re: Debug in WDSC

                Bill,

I agree with Darrell but understand your frustration with the iSeries. I 
disagree though that it doesnt present modern solutions to business problems. I 
think that you can find many other choices to writing web applications on the 
iseries from the aform mentioned CGI to IBM's iSeries for the Web (needs 
websphere though) to none IBM vendors such as Prodata's RSP or Profound logics 
RPGSP both allow writing web pages using RPGIV and or ILE. My only concern is 
IBM's lack of marketing the iSeries as the best server out there that could be 
its downfall. Sorry big blue but had to say it.

Don N.

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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Debug in WDSC 

Bill;

It would be a great mistake for your company to move away from the 
iSeries!!! It is by far the most reliable system on the market today, and 
has been for decades. That's why it has been around for so long.

IBM continually upgrades the hardware and software, to keep ahead of other 
technology's

Do what you will with websphere, I agree with you in that respect, but the 
system itsself is way ahead of anything else out there. 

Also, you don't need to hire any java programmers to serve webpages from 
iSeries, just go to CGI using rpg. 

Bradley Stone has a great book, and product, that deals only with 
generating web pages using rpg. Look into it.

I have written many web applications, just using rpg and no java.

Websphere is involved only as the server.

Take this from someone who hardly ever responds to these email, I just 
read, listen, hopefully learn. In this case, I just had to say something.

Darrell Lee
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So far I am not impressed with the quality of WDSC. It seems to have
been released as a pre-beta version with many "GOTCHA's" such as the
compile errors in SQLRPGLE and the conversion problem with embedded SQL
and the fact that you can't create a DSPF only maintain it the same for
PRTF.

In reading the WEB page when I first signed up for this service I read
the 4 reasons for switching to WDSC and 3 of them were directly related
to WEBSPHERE. We aren't going to switch to WEBSPHERE ever. The 3 year
plan here is to move off the iSeries completely and find another
platform solution for our flagship application, I don't know if that
decision can be changed, the perception is that the iSeries is an
antiquated platform with no future. Part of the problem is that it has
taken so long for anyone to come up with a viable WEB interface that
does not require hiring JAVA programmers and expanding the iSeries to
handle the load of WEBSPHERE not to mention the added expense to beef up
the desktops to handle JAVA applications.

Bill,

Is there any IDE that you've been impressed with? Any other eclipse 
environment? How about visual studio? How about a 4GL development 
environment? Is this possibly the first development enviornment that 
you've been in other than SEU/SDA? If that's the case - then, YES, I can 
feel your pain. It's tough leaning a new way to do things. Think how our 

users feel each time we install an new version of their old programs!

My impression from reading your posts are that you just have sour grapes 
because WDSC is different than SEU and SDA. You WILL have these types of 
issues - no matter where you go. It doesn't matter if you go to java, C#, 

C++, .Net, Linux, or a 4GL - things change. And, new systems have bugs.

As far as DSPF's and PRTF's - I use CODE for them. It's much eaiser for 
me to drag a field around my screen, than to do the > and ='s of SDA.

I'm an RPG programmer - started as an RPG programmer - remember when they 
added sub-files and display file programming, or when they added the 
ability to call other programs? We meet all of those new enhancements 
with excitement. Yes, it was hard to get over the learning curve, but we 
all did it - and we created better applications because of it. IF you 
embrace WDSC and the new way to develop applications - and push through 
the learning curve (with the help of this WDSC list) - you too will look 
back on these times and think that they were great enhancements - not 
GOTCHA's.

Just my .02 worth.

Good luck with it.

Jeff Stevens