RE: [WDSCI-L] RE: 5.1.2 Program Call Wizard - Error

[CWilt@xxxxxxxxxxxx]

Dan,

While I'd agree it would be nice if IBM could get WDSCi to the level of
reliability us iSeries developers expect.  Given that WDSCi runs on a PC
instead of the iSeries, that is an unrealistic desire.  Particularly when
you take into account that WDSCi is build on Eclipse so IBM doesn't have
100% control over it.  However, I think the lack of control is
partially/mostly/completely(?) by the responsiveness/testing/peer review
provide by the open source model.

So as with any other non-iSeries program, save often.  Take my word for it,
Ctrl-S will become second nature.  <grin>

Let me finish by agreeing with others, the time you spend picking up WDSCi (
and recovering from any problems) will be offset by the productivity gains.
This is especially true if you are working in RPG IV and even more so if in
RPG IV free format.

Go ahead and jump in...

Charles Wilt
iSeries Systems Administrator / Developer
Mitsubishi Electric Automotive America
ph: 513-573-4343
fax: 513-398-1121
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Bale [mailto:dbale@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:05 AM
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] RE: 5.1.2 Program Call Wizard - Error
> 
> 
> Joep,
> 
> I should have said that I don't have the luxury "in this 
> current crunch
> mode".  It's going to be a fairly stressful period these next several
> months, and the last thing I need is the worry that I'm going 
> to lose a
> day's work.  (I am newly cognizant of the fact that this 
> doesn't apply as
> much to RPG / CL / "traditional" iSeries coding, so this may be moot.)
> 
> I admit that my expectations of reliability are probably 
> extremely high.
> After all, I've been an ASiSeries400i5 programmer (and a S/36 
> programmer
> before that) for... over a decade <g>.  The worst loss I have 
> ever suffered
> was maybe 5 lines of code when power went out on the entire 
> building.  So,
> yeah, I have high expectations.
> 
> And I think, as an IBM customer, I should continue to have 
> the same level of
> high expectations from WDSC.  This *is* version 5, after all. 
>  However the
> decision came to be that WDSC should be "based on" Eclipse 
> and, so, now we
> share a common bond thingy with the rest of the world's development
> community, well that's fine and good as long as we don't have 
> to lower our
> expectations to that which the non-iSeries crowd is accustomed to.
> 
> I kinda doubt green-screen will still be around by the time I 
> can retire, so
> I recognize that I need to move towards an environment suitable for
> development in the 21st century.  Honestly, I *want* to do this!
> 
> Last thing:  I recognize that reports of errors/bugs are 
> probably coming
> from a very small & vocal minority.  Nobody signs up for an 
> email list just
> so they can tell the world, "Works good for me!"  And this is 
> true of any
> forum.  I also recognize that some of the problems may be out 
> of the control
> of IBM Toronto, and are attributed to Eclipse or other open source
> (third-party?) apps that are used by WDSCi.
> 
> db
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx / Joep Beckeringh
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 5:48 PM
> >
> > Dan Bale wrote:
> > > I have noticed the same response numerous times on this 
> list to solve
> > > problems - Create a new workspace.  I questioned the maturity
> > of WDSCi a few
> > > months ago
> > (http://archive.midrange.com/wdsci-l/200409/msg00149.html).  The
> > > consensus of that thread was that there was so much to like
> > about WDSCi that
> > > you were willing to overlook the problems it has.  I'm not sure
> > I have that
> > > luxury.
> >
> > You may call it luxury or you may call it necessity; the point is
> > that IBM is
> > not developing PDM/SEU anymore but gives us WDSC instead.
> > Depending on your age
> > you may decide to stay with PDM/SEU until you retire, or you have
> > to go along
> > with IBM and start using WDSC (or do something completely
> > different, of course).
> >
> > > I just received the 5.1.2 cd-roms.  I am waiting for my
> > brand-spankin' new
> > > P4 1GB RAM XP Pro box to be delivered to my desk.  I *will*
> > install 5.1.2
> > > and install the updates.  I will "wiggle my toes in the water",
> > but I doubt
> > > I'll be jumping off the dock anytime soon.  I will be in an
> > absolute crunch
> > > mode for the next five months, so I cannot afford downtime due
> > to product
> > > immaturity.  I need something that I don't have to worry about
> > potentially
> > > spending hours at a time problem-solving the development tool.
> > Right now,
> > > reading from this list, WDSCi is just not there.
> >
> > If you think WDSC is not there now, don't expect it to ever get
> > there. WDSC
> > consists of Eclipse (which in itself is very good) and an
> > enormous load of
> > plug-ins. The number of plug-ins grows with each release, 
> and so does the
> > complexity of the beast. Guess what that does to the number of
> > bugs. And to the
> > manageability of the documentation.
> >
> > > I understand that the fine folks in Toronto inherited WDS.  I
> > do not know
> > > the quality of the stuff they inherited, but I'm guessing there
> > was a reason
> > > why the move to Toronto was made.  This is pure 
> speculation on my part.
> > > (Please fill in the missing blanks.)
> > >
> > > Yesterday I read a blurb about Websphere version 6 coming out
> > in December.
> > > Is WDSCi being upgraded as part of this announcement?
> > >
> > > db
> >
> > It probably means that the next release will get a decent 
> version number,
> > instead of the rather idiotic 5.1.2 we are having now.
> >
> > Joep Beckeringh
> 
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