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RE: Some obvious questions on WDSci ?

If you take away the backward compatibility, you have an OS Like Windows
where you have to rewrite your applications every time you upgrade. This
would be the death toll for the iSeries.

Thanks,

Mark

Mark D. Walter
Senior Programmer/Analyst
CCX, Inc.
mwalter@xxxxxxxxxx
http://www.ccxinc.com


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I agree...IBM should not bother to support RPG/400 with WDSC. As others
have pointed out, and others will certainly disagree, I think one of
the biggest problems with the AS/400 is the backward compatibility. If
one can run programs written in RPG/II for a System/3 on the latest i5
running i5/OS...people will. The AS/400 community is not one to embrace
change - that's why you have 15,000+ objects and 35 programmers stuck in
the 80s. And as Paul mentioned, that's why management moves to
Windows...

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ?
> From: "Dijk, Bas v" <bvdijk@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, September 02, 2004 8:08 am
> To: "Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries"
> <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Guys, guys, I fully agree on the outdated part but let me explain:
>
> - Currently we use LANSA for development
> - The 'old' stuff is done in RPG/400 (or older), we are talking about
> 15.000+ objects
> - Totaly re-writing to LANSA simply takes far to much time so we have to
> live with RPG/400 for the old stuff
> - Whenever a change or bugfix has something to do with old code we
> simply try to determine which takes more time:
>   - Change the old code, or
>   - Re-write in LANSA
> - The main reasons for NOT converting the RPG/400 stuff to RPG/IV is:
>   - this would mean re-educate 35 people for RPG/IV (I would then
> personally chose C )
>   - We start to work with yet another language which does not realy
> improve transparency
>
> Again: I fully agree on converting, but how do I convince 35 people to
> learn RPG/IV?
>
> BTW: Michael, I don't think I will be able to deal with it! WDSci is
> said to support RPG/400 (and it does (a bit)). So, my opinion is:
> Support it for 100% or don't bother!
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Namens Colin Williams
> Verzonden: donderdag 2 september 2004 13:36
> Aan: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries'
> Onderwerp: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ?
>
> Joep,
>
> Presumable its because not all of their programmmers are comfortable
> with RPGIV.
>
> RPGIV has been out for almost 10 years? I cant believe that this kind of
> thinking is still around.
>
> If a programmer hasn't picked up a version of their chosen language that
> has been around for 10 years, what does that say about their skills.
> They are at least 10 years out of date!
>
> cheers
> Colin.W
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.Beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:J.Beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 02 September 2004 12:19
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ?
>
>
> Bas,
>
> >1.
> >Take a look at http://search.experts-exchange.com and you'll know what
> I
> >mean with 'forum like set-up'
>
> Hm. You can turn the question around: why doesn't this site list OS/400?
>
> As for forums for iSeries: goto
> <http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/isnforums/>.
>
> >3, 6.
> >For my company it is NOT an option to convert to RPG IV (as much as
> >I'll like to) so you can imagine that I am somewhat frustrated to be
> >forced to work with RPG/400 and on top of that find out that using
> >WDSci for this is simply not complete.
>
> Why is converting not an option? After conversion you have exactly the
> same program, in a slightly different format, that is most probably
> easier
> to read. Only disadvantage I can think of is that you can't easily copy
> fragments of code from one format to the other. If you think RPG IV is
> 'new': it is older than Windows 95. Imagine a company for which it is
> not
> an option to replace Windows 3.1 with something more modern.
>
> Joep Beckeringh
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