RE: RE: WDSC With Aldon's A/CMS -- WDSCI-L

> 
> To be fair, I think the limitation evolved from the fact that Aldon is 
using
> the Eclipse builtin SCM functionality.  Unlike Turnover which does its 
own
> thing without using the Eclipse SCM functionality.  In other words, 
Aldon
> integrates into WDSc using the features designed into Eclipse for SCM 
and
> recommend for use by IBM.  Turnover doesn't.
> 

This simply is not true.  The Eclipse SCM functionality only apples to 
resources that are stored in the local workspace, so it does not translate 
to iSeries and RSE.  That is why, for example, you do not see any options 
contributed by CVS Team support in RSE even though the CVS support is 
built in.  You do however, see it in RSE for sharing of your filters and 
user actions since those are stored in local files that the Eclipse Team 
API can be applied to.

You can sort of get this functionality if you want to convert all of your 
iSeries source into an iSeries Project and then manage it all as local 
resources using any Eclipse SCM provider.  The problem then is that 
iSeries Projects was not really designed for this purpose and does not 
scale well for it, nor offer the kind of tooling you would need to make 
this we really work.  So we took the route of providing custom integration 
for RSE and iSeries.  The TurnOver UI was 100% rewritten for Eclipse and 
you can basically do everything including a lot that you cannot do in 
5250.  Our Java/Web/PC source control offering does utilize the Eclipse 
SCM Team API and that is how versioning is performed for those types of 
projects.  TurnOver adds additional integration to automate deployment of 
those objects, along with the iSeries objects if necessary.

Finally, the Eclipse Team API is simply a small layer that sits between 
editors and team repositories.  So an Eclipse editor makes a pledge to 
call certain API's before editing/saving/deleting files.  If you have a 
Team provider associated with the project, this allows the team provider 
to step in and take appropriate action, such as checkout the file. 
Everything else that is provided by the Team provider is simply up to 
them.  For example, the cool CVS Synchronize view, Resource History, 
Annotation views etc..., are all specific to CVS and that provider.  In 
Eclipse 3.0, some of that UI has been rewritten so that other Team 
Providers can make use of that UI and not have to rewrite it, but it is 
not part of the "Team API". 

Nothing in the Team API deals with compiling one way or the other.  In 
normal Eclipse, the compilers are provided by the Project Builders, this 
obviously does not translate to iSeries, so you either need to use the 
facilities provided by RSE or some third party.  With TurnOver we provide 
a GUI "compile wizard" that handles the task of running the compile 
including remembering custom parameters/commands as well as building 
related objects, such as rebinding all of your ILE objects.  Also, in the 
case of something like a PF/SQL Table recompile, then the members, data, 
journalling, constraints triggers etc... are all automatically 
re-established just as they would be when performing a promotion.

I have some short movies that demonstrate most of these features.  If any 
one wants to see them email me privately and I can email them to you. 
Likewise, if you have any additional questions about what our product does 
or does not do you can also email me privately.

Thanks

Mark Phippard
Director of Development
SoftLanding Systems