RE: [WDSCI-L] Efficient use of WDSCi.

[Kelly Cookson <KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The CTL+SHIFT+N and the tip on typing letters within the tree are exactly
the kinds of things I'm looking for.  I no longer need to scroll through a
long list to find members. That shaves some time off. 

I'll look at some of the resources suggested and try to see what plugins
might do for me.  

Thanks to all for the feedback.
Kelly 



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Phippard [mailto:MarkP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:24 AM
To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Efficient use of WDSCi.


As Scott pointed out there is now a shortcut to open up a member if you 
know exactly which one you want to open.

Positioning.  Within any of the trees or tables in WDSC if you just start 
typing letters you will be positioned to the first match.  This is just a 
standard in the underlying Windows control.  The only catch is that you 
would have to click in the control first to set the focus correctly before 
typing.

Filters.  If you have thousands of members in one source file there is not 
a lot you can do unless you can use naming standards to make a series of 
sub filters.

Finally, I do not think there is anything wrong with using 5250 for tasks 
that you feel more comfortable doing there.  Obviously, it would be nice 
if you/we can think of ways that WDSC could be improved to do specific 
tasks better, but I imagine in many cases 5250 will just be easier for 
doing certain things.  One thing I would like would be to be able to 
see/do more with jobs in the iSeries Jobs filter.  For example, it would 
be nice if you could see the call stack of a job.  If that was done, then 
we could probably add a plugin that let you browse the source for 
something in the call stack (or IBM could).  As an example, our spooled 
file plugin adds a menu option to jobs that let you see the spooled files 
for a job.  These troubleshooting-type things are still a large area where 
I think a lot of us need to go to 5250.

Mark







wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 01/20/2004 11:03:38 AM:

> A little of both. 
> 
> Browsing:
> 
> We often develop new programs by finding previously developed programs,
> copying and renaming them, then reengineering them. I sometimes want to 
look
> at several different programs to see which would be best suited for
> reengineering. Sometimes a program fails and I have to look at code in
> several programs in a call stack (10 or more programs). So I need to 
briefly
> skim through multiple programs efficiently.
> 
> I've created filters for our source physical files, but we have so many
> source members that the filters just take a *long* time to resolve. I
> usually get big delays and server not responding errors whenever WDSCi 
has
> to resolve them. When the list of members appears, I have to manually 
scroll
> and search the list rather than specifying a member name to position to.
> Then I may have another delay while WDSCi opens the member in LPEX. The
> green screen SEU lets me use a combination of entering member names and
> paging up/down, and it quickly opens members for browsing. I can also 
have
> two green screen sessions up to alternate searching through two source
> physical files (e.g., to browse the COBOL and CL programs of a call 
stack).
> The bottom line is I can open a green screen, search through one or more
> source physical files for members, and open the members to browse them 
more
> quickly than I can browse the same programs in WDSCi. But I'm not 
blaming
> WDSCi at this point. It may be I need to change the way I'm using WDSCi. 

> 
> Manipulating objects:
> 
> I often have to create new objects by copying and renaming old ones. If 
it's
> just one or two objects, I don't mind using WDSCi iSeries Commands. I 
have
> some custom commands set up for these purposes. But if I have to create 
4-5
> program objects, 5-10 copybooks, and a few 5250 or DB2 DDS files for a
> project, I'm back in the green screens to get things set up.  Again, it 
may
> be I need to change the way I do things (e.g., not rely on iSeries 
Commands)
> in WDSCi.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There are also times when a program fails and I have to trace call 
stacks or
> look through the programs in a call stack to see where a problem 
originated.
> We often have relatively deep call stacks--sometimes 10 or more 
programs.
> Again, it's just quicker for me to browse through a bunch of programs
> quickly using green screens. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Phippard [mailto:MarkP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:30 AM
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Efficient use of WDSCi.
> 
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> Perhaps if you were more specific about some of the things you still 
> prefer to do in PDM it might help answer?  For example, is the problem 
> just finding and opening members to edit, or do you perform a lot of 
> object/member manipulation that you find easier to do in PDM?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 01/20/2004 09:16:45 AM:
> 
> > Okay. I had gotten the impression that running multiple workspaces was
> > supposed to be a way of organizing projects. I therefore assumed there 

> was a
> > better way of using workspaces. Actually glad to hear it is typical to 

> reuse
> > a workspace for iSeries development for a single team/shop. :)
> > 
> > I, too, go back to green screens to look at database files during
> > development. The DBU plugin from ProData is nice, but I doubt my 
> managers
> > will spring for the extra license given that we can go back to green 
> screens
> > to use DBU. The JFaceDbc looks interesting in that regard. Thanks for 
> the
> > tip. I guess I need to do more searching for plug-ins when I find an
> > opportunity.
> > 
> > I could still use some advanced tips for efficient use of RSE and 
> debugging,
> > though.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Kelly
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Colin Williams [mailto:colin.williams@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:57 AM
> > To: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries'
> > Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Efficient use of WDSCi.
> > 
> > 
> > Kelly,
> > 
> > Whats wrong with using the same workspace, that what I do. 
> > I now do everything from WDSC apart from running applications.
> > 
> > The other thing that would be handy is a WDSC SQL plugin, as most of 
the
> > time that I pop back to green screen is to query/SQL files
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Colin.W
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kelly Cookson [mailto:KCookson@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > Sent: 20 January 2004 13:52
> > To: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries'
> > Subject: [WDSCI-L] Efficient use of WDSCi.
> > 
> > 
> > I've been using it for about 4 months now. I generally like it. 
However, 
> I
> > have not made a complete switch.  I tend to use WDSCi as a replacement 

> for
> > SEU and SDA (and WebFacing, which has no equivalent in ADTS). But I 
tend 
> not
> > to use WDSCi as a replacement for green screen PDM or ISDB.  I'm still 

> much
> > more efficient with green screen PDM than with RSE, and I find ISDB 
> simpler
> > than debugging with WSDCi. I'm also not making effective use of 
> workspaces.
> > It takes me so long to set up and customize views, connections, 
filters, 
> and
> > commands that I frequently reuse the same workspace. 
> > 
> > Are there any good articles for someone who has a few months 
experience 
> with
> > WDSCi and needs some intermediate or advanced tips to get truly 
> efficient
> > with RSE, debugging, and workspace utilization? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Kelly
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