Re: WDSC HELP needed. Installation and Education -- WDSCI-L

Is someone forcing you to use WDSC?  If you want to use PDM and SEU then do
so.

WDSC is using the native Windows tree and list controls.  Typing the first
few characters of an item will position the list to that item.

Unless your PC is a bottleneck than searches should be faster from WDSC
than they are from PDM because your iSeries can process them faster from
WDSC than PDM can in a 5250 session.  In all likelihood, both will be so
fast as to be the same.

MKS Implementer offers support for WDSC, and their Source Integrity product
would only be needed if you planned on writing Java/Web applications and
wanted to version control the source.  You could also use the free CVS
support that comes with WDSC.

And finally the filters exist for performance.  Since the native iSeries
file system is a flat structure, library -> objects -> members you get very
large lists that cannot be lazily loaded.  This is not a Java issue it a
GUI and C/S issue.  There is no way to expand say a source file to show
members in a tree control and not load all of the members.  For some people
that would be a performance intensive operation.  So WDSC came up with the
concept of filters to let you define your subsets.  If you do not want to
use it you can define one or two library filters for your libraries, use
the table view and just drill down to your heart's content ala PDM.  There
is even a convenient dialog to just jump to some specific locale without
creating a filter.

I have never experienced the problems you have with Win2K, at least I
haven't noticed it.  I am not sure what you really mean by a 2-3 second
delay.  Regardless, get a decently modern CPU, 512 MB of RAM and Win2K or
XP and WDSC 5.1 performs fine.  Each release has gotten faster and that
should continue with the 6.0 release whenever it comes out.

Mark





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Thanks Vern and everyone for the help.
Midrange.com is a magic place.
I will regroup and obtain WDSC 5.1
It is a very difficult process for me to get this version as
we have some Software maintenance but I am not sure what.
When we upgraded to V5R2 we were given WDSC 4.0,this was about
a year ago. For something touted as the bees knees why is it
all so very hard, but maybe I have been spoilt all these years
on S38s and AS400s and finally must face the 'real world' of
computing.  (showing my age, I dread JAVA)

I really miss the 'position-to' function. Even MS software has
this in a fashion. With MS lists one can click on an entry
then key the first characters and get positioned to an entry
with the characters keyed.
Filters are good for filtering, but I dont see the need to make
them permenent/persistant.  In PDM F17 subset is a better
implementation of filters.
Maybe with JAVA one has to do it that way.

Our 825 is so fast I have stopped using Abstract x-ref.
I use the PDM 25 option, to search for stuff.  If I lose
this I will have to resurrect Abstract, oh well back to the
dark ages.

I have always had 4 CAE sessions open, more if needed and I
could see and edit multiple source members, with one click I
switch sessions, so multiple sessions is nothing new to me.
And I copy/paste between then at will.

Win2K is slow in the sense it has delays. (In my paranoid
moments I think back to PC Junior with the built in delay loops)
Sometimes it is fast then it waits for 3 secs, it is not the 825
as this does not happen for the same task at the same time on W98.

We use MKS Implementer for source control.  It is a big thing to
switch to MKS Integrity especially as we use ASSET 8.0.  This is
going to cost us in time and money, hence more reason to not use WDSC.

Frank Kolmann


>date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:12:34 -0600
>from: Vern Hamberg <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] WDSC HELP needed. Installation and Education
>
>Welcome, Frank, to the bleeding edge of a brave new world!  ;-)
>
>Looks like you're trying to install version 4, as Mark points out. I
agree,
>get version 5.1, which you can order if you have Software maintenance or
>subscription.
>
>If you do no Java development (only RPG or COBOL and CL and DDS) and do
not
>need to add any functions to the environment, I don't think you need to
>know Java. I use the product regularly and do not use Java at all. The
>older CODE editor uses a different macro language, and it has been
>suggested that it will be brought in to Remote Systems Explorer. That LPEX

>macro language is simpler but not as full-featured.
>
>There are some settings for performance that are Java options, but there's

>a document on the Web that gives some guidelines there.
>
>I'm also not aware of any problem with Win2K and Client Access, except for

>Operations Console on a Win2K box with service pack 4, and this is a
>Microsoft bug. I have the fix, but you should not need it for normal
>developers' machines - only if you use Operations Console for your
console.
>
>I'm sorry to say that I do not recommend the RSE editor for CL - it does
>not format the same way as SEU. The external CODE editor is better for CL
>and can be started from RSE.
>
>The filters are actually pretty good. They are a different way of doing
>things than PDM. It's a paradigm from the older CODE editor. There are
>options to open only to members or certain kinds of objects, etc. And a
>nice table view is available.
>
>The ability to have multiple source members open at the same time is a
>great thing. Esp. when I need to reference something in one from another -

>it's more accessible than F15 and half-screen in SEU.
>
>BTW, you'd never know this, but for training and tutorials, etc., go to
the
>Library link, not the Training and certification link. I think you'll be a

>lot happier. <http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/wds400/library/>
>
>You could also find some stuff at Jon Paris' and Sue Gantner's site:
><http://www.as400pro.com/TipsCode400.htm>
>
>Once you have 5.1 installed, the update process is pretty good - there's
an
>Update Manager that knows where to look, so you don't need to download
>everything. It'll take 3-4terations to get everything, however.
>
>When you reboot after the first phase of installation, be sure to take the

>iSeries extensions for CODE and Visual RPG before doing anything else.
>VERY IMPORTANT - go to the WDSC sebsite and get the PTFs for the iSeries
>that are required - there's a link.  And, of course, the required options
>of 5722-WDS need to be installed - sounds as if you already have them.
>
>BTW, I've been dragged kicking and screaming - I've fought (and lost) with

>various versions of CODE since the mid-late 90's, hoping for something
>that'll be good enough to replace PDM and SEU in a graphical emulator with

>copy-paste, which is still pretty good, IMO. But I'm the one championing
>this stuff at our company. We're basically in the "better tools" step of
>the "roadmap" that IBM's cramming down our throats, and that's fine for
our
>needs. The other developers basically work out of CODE Project Organizer,
>which has less of an impact on your PC's resources. 128meg works OK for
>CODE. You still need to install everything but don't need to use it all
>until you want or need to.
>
>As far as similarity to PDM, that's hype. This is different, and better in

>many ways. At the same time, you can't do searches in multiples members of

>multiple source files, as in PDM. It's not obvious (or possible?) to do
>user options or PDM options against multiple objects/members, etc. Again,
>there are differences, and I'm still learning. But PDM and WRK* screens
are
>still often my choice, for speed and power, when I need to do mass changes

>and maintenance. OpsNav is also still not a substitute, although there are

>facilities there that are fantastic.
>
>HTH
>Vern

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