[WDSCI-L] Re: Re: EAR/WAR Deployment

["Buck" <buck.calabro@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> > From: Buck
> >
> > My guess is that vendors will fill in the gap
> > that the J2EE folks left in the process.

Joe said:

> First, the fact that "vendors" will fill in the gap will mean
> that they will expect to be paid to do so.

Probably, unless someone creates an open source project.  But what is wrong
with a flourishing 3rd party software market?

> Not only that, there will be different deployment
> models for different application servers, and that's
>a sure harbinger of pain and suffering for application
>developers and end users.

Probably true, just like every other platform.  Of course, vendors could
work with the J2EE people and enhance the standard...

> Second, the J2EE "model", which is little more
> than a recommendation and one possible way to
> do things, is being taken as the minimum "standard"
> to be addressed by web application server vendors,
> or at least by the WebSphere team.  This J2EE
> "not-quite-a-standard" is simply a cobbled together
> documentation of what the Unix guys are doing today,
> not any sort of well thought out plan based on
> any business requirements.

I'm not qualified to be able to tell one way or another, but isn't there
always a better way to build a mousetrap?

> Somebody needs to stand up, look the J2EE
> developers right in the eye, and say, "You are
> not meeting the needs of the business community."

Go for it!  You're on the Java Toolbox team; perhaps you have some links or
references we can use to influence the J2EE standard setters?

> Because otherwise, you're going to have to use
> a third party product just to develop you applications,
> and heaven help you if you need to support a
> platform that vendor doesn't support.

But that's the case already, isn't it?  Nobody uses Emacs and Javac for
production work, do they?  Maybe I misunderstand the situation. It wouldn't
be the first time...
  --buck