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I think it is fairly obvious that Geac is trying to stop the bleeding within JBA... By that I mean recapture the revenue stream for consulting $'s... There are a large number of companies whose very existence is due primarily to the fact that JBA was charging such high prices for their consulting services... I think it is a natural life cycle for a software package... The more sales made the more techies are exposed to the software the more of those techies leverage their knowledge into new jobs with other customers or the vendor themselves... Eventually some entrepreneurially minded individuals see a niche that they can fill and they decide to start their own business and begin hiring from this talent pool... Or some existing services provider sees a glut of talent and packages their services around the glut... While I can understand Geac's stated philosophy of not publishing source code because you want all of your customers to be at the same level to ease the support and development headaches, this cannot be the only reason for their actions... I wish we did not need to modify the software to meet our needs... I'd love nothing better then to not have to retrofit our mods every time there is a service pack...!!! But the fact of the matter is we do need to make those mods... Plus we find bugs in the code all the time and we make the repairs on-the-spot while we wait for our "donated" fixes to appear in the standard product... There are several of those consulting services companies that monitor this list and I'm sure they would agree that this move is targeted at them... I have heard that Geac believes some of these companies have obtained illegal copies of the software and somehow acquired illicit authorization codes as well... While I find that difficult to believe, I suppose it is possible... But placing a strangle hold on your entire customer base is not the right approach... If you think JBA's rates are high now just wait until they have driven off all of the competition... I am somewhat uneasy thinking about the fact that my ERP vendor is that hard up for cash... They have stopped paying their employees bonuses... Much of the talent (especially in the Detroit office) has left JBA... I doubt very seriously that they have made many sales this year, and I suspect the pipeline is not clogged with orders... It is very possible that JBA as we know it may not be around very much longer... Maybe then we can get our source code out of those escrow accounts... I don't know how all of this is going to work out, but I do know that the lives of many people are going to be dramatically affected by this companies decision to withhold Source Code from it's customers... Thank you for all of your contributions to the list on this subject... Jeff Klipa Mgr. System Applications & Development Harvard Industries, Inc. www.harvardind.com +--- | This is the JBA Software Users Mailing List! | To submit a new message send your mail to JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to JBAUSERS-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to JBAUSERS-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: doug333@aol.com. +---
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