Re: Tool to Modernize IBMi Screens into GUI

Am 31.12.2024 um 07:20 schrieb myibmi--- via RPG400-L <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Imho, the i should be kept in its own micro cosmos, equipped with own
modern dev tools (yes, a competitive GUI and printing workbench as well)
based on its strengths. All others components only as add-on for missing
functions.

Yes - IBM never had a clear "vision" of how a classic green screen application should work in the new GUI world.

First - Visual Age for RPG - a joke from my POV - the price was too high, not alone for the tools, but for the necessary iSeries to serve C/S applications.

Then everything was Java and "WebSphere" - just long enough so that some customers settled for it - then IBM lost interest, because the "caravan" has moved on.

Now everyone is high Webservices and Angular - until in 5-10 years, it's something else.

Whereas the trusty 5250 green screen application still works - does it job - sometimes not so good, sometimes quite OK.

IBM should have created a framework for RPG and COBOL that could have worked with a fat client and now with thin clients. As the underlying application still uses the same "API" or simply does an EXFMT.

Profound is IMHO leading here - but you are buying into a 2nd ecosystem then - whereas IBM i always stood for "integrated".

IBM should create a clean idea how RPG and COBOL applications - with all their weaknesses and strengths - can work without being dependent on some 3rd party frameworks and tools. Open Access RPG was a good start - but it never was completly thought through to the end.

Make the i unique, as its beginning, with a great cost of ownership and
people will love it again. At the moment i miss a clear direction and
commitment.

I think, the clear commitment from IBM is there - why would the present und Power 11 and AI features, if they wouldn't be committed. What lacks is a clear vision. And what also lacks is a full commitment from a large number of customers.

Everywhere you hear "we are looking to deplatform our application in 3-5 years" - well and you hear that since 15 years, and the guys still work on green screen, because no investment is done because "we deplatform in 3-5 years".

Then after 15 years of "no investment because of deplatforming" the old RPG guys retire (or quit) and then "we have no IBM i people we need to deplatform" - then the old CIO leaves and everything starts over again.

Clear commitment is not a one-way street - right now I see a downward spiral - IBM lacks a vision - customers aren't fully committed - one results in the other ...

Hopefully this cycle will stop sometime soon.

Just my 2ct - regards

Daniel

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Von: Patrik Schindler <poc@xxxxxxxxxx>
Datum: Mo., 30. Dez. 2024, 22:57
An: RPG programming on IBM i <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: Re: Tool to Modernize IBMi Screens into GUI

Hello Jack,

Am 30.12.2024 um 15:29 schrieb Jack Woehr via RPG400-L
<rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

The future of presentation technology for the platform is to present

data via APIs to be consumed by 2nd-tier web applications, e.g., coded
on a PowerLinux LPAR.

And there is yet another nail on the IBM i coffin. :-)

One step further:

Why keep data on IBM i at all?

Rhetorical question.

:wq! PoC

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