Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Are we not developers?

Hi Alan

I just now clicked on the links, and they are different kinds of charts, line, pie, something else, I think - short memory lapse here!

I met Koen at a joint meeting of CAAC and CEAC (COMMON Europe Advisory Council) - he and others across the pond are doing really excellent work!

And of all things, he and I share an interest in 15th Burgundian chansonniers!!

Vern

On 6/2/2020 11:38 AM, Alan Shore via RPG400-L wrote:

Hi Roberto
To be quite honest - I never heard of Stack Overflow until this e-mail thread
However, I was interested to look at your screens
What am I supposed to be looking at?
I tried all 3 links but didn't see any difference between them


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From: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto De Pedrini
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 12:28 PM
To: RPG programming on IBM i <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Are we not developers?

I think the problem is not so much in the number of RPG or Cobol developers compared to Node.js, Python, PHP, but in the use that RPG programmers make of the forums and the network in general.
Midrange.com mailing lists are great, and a bunch of other forum websites are great too ... every day we can learn something new ... but let's look at the names of those who answer the posts or even those who ask questions:
I can count up only 200/300 active users (maybe something more but not a great number!) Where are the other at least 100,000 RPG / Cobol developers in the World?
They are not on Stack Overflow
Maybe they are overwhelmed with their monolithic RPG programs from 20 years ago?
or they just do things always the same way because "it's always been that way" and they don't need new answers?

Let me tell you about my latest experience with forums and new stuffs Last week I followed a Koen Decorte's webcast at "IBM User Group Day" where he showed a practical use of Node.red (Open Source Package) and IBM i, great session, thank Koen I wanna try it:
15 minutes to install Node.red on my IBM i 7.3 partition (thanks IBM for YUM and NPM)
1 or 2 hours to understand how it works (and some swear words too!) a thousand of Google's searches to learn some Javascript (for an RPG
developer) and I found all the answers I was looking for thanks to the forums (and some other swear words again) And I got it ... my first simple Warehouse's Dashboard, running on I, always updated through DB2 for i node module Here are some screens:
https://imgur.com/nVuAGaj
https://imgur.com/JMBgMeo
https://imgur.com/GHdLDmN

We are a great community all over the world but we must involve all other hidden IBM i developers




Il giorno ven 29 mag 2020 alle ore 17:34 Bob Cagle <bcagle@xxxxxxxxxxx> ha
scritto:

I just read this summary of the 2020 Slack Overflow annual survey:


https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/stack-overflow-developer-survey-2020
-programming-language-framework-salary-data/

There are no references to RPG or Cobol.

There are a couple of references to DB2: it ranked second to last in
least used database. And if you look at the full survey, DB2 ranks #1
as the most dreaded database.

I know we are a small community, but I'm surprised that neither RPG
nor Cobol were referenced at all. Could be that hardly any of us hang
out on Slack Overflow?

So does the rest of the world not consider us "real" developers
because we aren't using what they consider "real" languages?

I remember taking a class on C++ back in the mid-90s with a co-worker
of mine. The first day the instructor let us know that C++ was a "real"
language, and nothing like those "sissy" languages like Basic or RPG.
My co-worker immediately raised his hand and let him know that we were
both RPG programmers. The instructor told us that we would have a
hard time in his class then. We both passed with perfect scores; proved him wrong.

Just curious - anyone else ever experienced this type of bias?

Bob Cagle
IT Manager
Lynk




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