Re: ILE make tools

Hey Bob,

I use my own compile preprocessor, details of which are at
http://iprodeveloper.com/development/using-compile-preprocessor.

This allows you to use normal CRT* commands (CRTxxxMOD, CRTxxxPGM, CRTPGM,
CRTSRVPGM etc.), either from the command line or from PDM or from WDSc (or
your IDE of choice) and it will make use of comment lines in the source
member(s) to do all the creation of required 'super'-objects. For instance,
you can compile a module using CRTxxxMOD and it will automatically compile
the module and recreate any service programs which it is part of. It has a
command interface like COMPILE and MAKE called PREPROC, but because it
integrates directly with the existing IBM CRT* commands, you can install it
and then make no changes to your own procedures, so it can be used in
conjunction with any existing CMS.

It's also free :)

I know there are a bunch of people out there using it, but I don't know if
many of them are active in these forums.

Rory

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Alan Campin <alan0307d@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Most shops I have been in developers hate them with a passion because they
can't just put stuff in that they want.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

True, but traditional IBM i CMS has deployment features valuable to even

a

small shop that VCS just doesn't have.

We paid 10K in 1996, a 3 developer license today is I believe less than
that. I'd imagine a 1-user license would be significantly less.

Assuming a developer making 60K a year. A traditional CMS that saves

even

5% of his time has a pretty short ROI.

Ironically, IT..whose job it is to make everybody else in the company

more

efficient always gets short changed on tools that can make them more
efficient. But I've found it helps to point out the irony.

I'm not saying a traditional CMS is the only solution. I just think they
are often written off way to soon.

Talk to the vendors, go through some demos haggle a bit on price since

you

are a small shop.

You might be surprised.

Charles

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:21 PM, John Yeung <gallium.arsenide@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

But even a small shop can benefit from the control provided by a CMS;
Automated logging, source archiving in particular are helpful.

Yeah, but those pieces can be had for less. For example, you could
adjust your workflow such that modern, no-cost version control
software (like git) could be used. A traditional CMS is an
enterprise-level package, with enterprise-level pricing for
enterprise-level features. Even if the price is fair, the price is
still high, and some of those features might not provide as much value
to a single developer as they would to a group of developers.

John Y.
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