RE: ILE make tools

And that, Alan, is the best argument for purchasing one I've heard in a long time.

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From: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Campin
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:23 PM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: ILE make tools

Most shops I have been in developers hate them with a passion because they can't just put stuff in that they want.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Charles Wilt <charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

True, but traditional IBM i CMS has deployment features valuable to
even a small shop that VCS just doesn't have.

We paid 10K in 1996, a 3 developer license today is I believe less
than that. I'd imagine a 1-user license would be significantly less.

Assuming a developer making 60K a year. A traditional CMS that saves
even 5% of his time has a pretty short ROI.

Ironically, IT..whose job it is to make everybody else in the company
more efficient always gets short changed on tools that can make them
more efficient. But I've found it helps to point out the irony.

I'm not saying a traditional CMS is the only solution. I just think
they are often written off way to soon.

Talk to the vendors, go through some demos haggle a bit on price since
you are a small shop.

You might be surprised.

Charles

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:21 PM, John Yeung
<gallium.arsenide@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Charles Wilt
<charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

But even a small shop can benefit from the control provided by a
CMS; Automated logging, source archiving in particular are helpful.

Yeah, but those pieces can be had for less. For example, you could
adjust your workflow such that modern, no-cost version control
software (like git) could be used. A traditional CMS is an
enterprise-level package, with enterprise-level pricing for
enterprise-level features. Even if the price is fair, the price is
still high, and some of those features might not provide as much
value to a single developer as they would to a group of developers.

John Y.
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