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Re: getting up to speed

Glad to hear it.

And for sure there are times when a book is not enough.

<vested interest>

I happen to think the best darn RPG education on the planet is to be found at the RPG & DB2 Summit (http://systemideveloper.com/Summit/conferences.html) and if Joe cares to join us in March we'd be happy to see him!

</vested interest>


On 2014-02-13, at 10:14 PM, Luis Rodriguez <luisro58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jon,

My apologies if it seemed as if I was dissing the redbook. You're right in
stating that it is a good guide for converting to RPG IV, and it should be
an important step for someone who comes from the RPG400 world.

That said, something I forgot to state is that a good educational resource
would be the several seminars that are offered either online and/or in
person. Sometimes a book is not enough.

Best regards,

Luis

Sent from my Nexus 7 tablet. Please excuse my brevity.
On Feb 13, 2014 7:25 PM, "Jon Paris" <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Comments in-line Luis

On 2014-02-13, at 11:34 AM, Luis Rodriguez <luisro58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jon,

I have thought about the redbook, but it is such an old version that I'm
reluctant to recommend it. Among other things, I'm a fervent proponent of
/free and things like BIFs and such that I find it very difficult to go
back to old code (And I know about OLD code. I began programming in
RPGabout 1977).

While the code is not /Free (which wasn't available when the Redbook came
out) it was all written in a style that can be directly converted. i.e. No
MOVEs, GOTOs, etc. I can't guarantee that every line of every sample
converts directly - but that was the intent. Most of the BIFs were around
then - a few nice ones have been added but most were in play. I think you
are doing people a disservice by not recommending it.

BTW, I seem to remember a surname of "Paris" in the author's roster list
:-) Don't you have the clout to get IBM bring out a new version of the
book? :-)

We did try - the result in the end were the two redpieces on APIs and
Error Handling. There just isn't the funding for Redbooks in general that
there once was. As Brian said there is new Modernization one on the way -
but it doesn't have the same in-depth teaching approach that the Sorcerer's
guide and redpieces did.

It would be nice to update the original - but I don't see it happening. It
was a massive undertaking - probably 2 man years at least and that's not
counting the time spent by IBM's editors.


Best Regards,

Luis

Luis Rodriguez
IBM Certified Systems Expert -- eServer i5 iSeries
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

There's always the "good ole" RPG Redbook - pretty good place to start
as
it has a bit of everything. Written for V4R2 (?) I think so a fair bit
has
changed - but it was partly written to show RPGers how and why they
should
make the switch to RPG IV. Everything in there from soup to nuts.


http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg245402.html?Open


On 2014-02-13, at 10:26 AM, Luis Rodriguez <luisro58@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Joe.

Scott Klement has a nice intro to ILE in his website ( http://www.
scottklement.com ). It's a little bit dated, so if you check IBM's
Infocenter you can download the RPGLE reference manuals and check any
enhancements for the OS version you are running currently. Also, get a
copy
of the ILE RPG Programmer's Guide (Infocenter).

If you haven't done so already, I would strongly suggest you learn
SQLboth, as standalone apps (Procedures, functions, etc) and as
related to
RPG ("Embedded SQL"). Go the /free route (forget all that columnar
stuff
:-) )

And, as I am sure you already know: Practice, practice!!

HTH,

Luis

Luis Rodriguez
IBM Certified Systems Expert -- eServer i5 iSeries
--



On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Joe Murfitt <jmurfitt@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I was a programmer quite some time ago, as a matter of fact I last
worked
on
RPG400. With the limited opportunities for admins, I'm looking to get
back
into programming. Can anyone suggest books or training that I can use
to
get
back up to speed. I have not worked ILE at all.



Thanks,



Joe Murfitt

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