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An IBM 7094! Want to hear it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41U78QP8nBk
On 4/18/2013 2:38 PM, Vernon Hamberg wrote:
Sheesh, Vern - get the song right!rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Raymond B. Dunn
Hey, I even looked it up and still got it wrong! too much snow!
OK, it's "Bicycle Built for Two" HAL sings it - and it was
programmed at Harvard or MIT on a PDP-8 or PDP-11, according to a book I read.
Some source points to a different unit - but it was done in 1961.
Ah the fluid nature of history!
Vern
On 4/18/2013 2:29 PM, Vernon Hamberg wrote:
And have you programmed "Sidewalks of New York" on it yet?
"Daisy, Daisy, Give me your answer, do!"
On 4/18/2013 1:19 PM, Paul Therrien wrote:
Well I'm sticking with my DEC PDP 11!
It's the soul of a new machine!
.. oh.. wait...
Paul
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From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
languages we used 25 years ago, is shortsighted. I would say it isSent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:19 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: RE: why rpg and not cobol
My mistake, then.
The reality is to even call today's languages the same name as the
equally shortsighted to think that they will not continue to evolve.
Strictly SQL. So to compare System/36 RPG II to embedded SQL,RPG in 2050 will probably be very different from today's RPG-free.
Right now I do not code any native I/O in either COBOL or RPG.
procedure laden, RPG-free, is like comparing a horse and carriage to a Ferrari.
uses it. The same can be said for RPG and COBOL.
Obviously C and java will be around as long as there is software
that
away, COBOL is going away, IBM is going away" banter gets old.
I apologize for my negative response, but the endless "RPG is
going
cheek.
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[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry C. Adams
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:07 AM
To: 'RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)'
Subject: RE: why rpg and not cobol
I think Michael was speaking with his tongue firmly planted in his
the way I read it. Plus, having met Michael at COMMON, I wouldn'tThe Fortran and Pascal lines were dead giveaways. At least,
that's
mistake him for a thirtysomething, much less a twentysomething.
been successfully doing our jobs for longer than you've been alive
Jerry C. Adams
IBM i Programmer/Analyst
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From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Behalf Of Raymond B. Dunn
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:49 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: RE: why rpg and not cobol
Let me guess. You're under 30 and think that those of us who have
don't know anything.
and RPG. C and Java seem to be tailing off. I don't even know if
I hate to say it, but you sound like I did when I was 20.
That's not a good thing.
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[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:22 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: why rpg and not cobol
There are a lot more new computer installations that are using
COBOL
there's a market for those skills. FORTRAN is the real up and comer.
And watch for Pascal...Turbo Pascal is the leader right now.
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Raymond B. Dunn
<Raymond.Dunn@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Impressive post except for the shortsighted statement:COBOL):
"Note to people debating RPG vs COBOL: if you are in your 50's or
60's that's OK - retirement is soon. If younger, RUN to learn
another language. I think it will be amazing how quickly they
will both be a footnote in history!"
I seem to remember this being said in 1990. It is as incorrect
today as it was then.
Wake up. COBOL and RPG will be here in 2100. I cannot be sure
of the same for C and Java.
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[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stone, Joel
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:59 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: RE: why rpg and not cobol
OK so there were dozens of responses but no right answers :)
The reason why RPG is the preferred language on iseries (and not
follow the money!"B.U.N.C.H."
IBM was bringing thousands of organizations into the IBM 360
computer age back in the 1960s & 1970s, only to see them move to
the
three years later - where they could run COBOL for less $.
(Burroughs, Univac, NCR, Control Data, or Honeywell)
IBM had a choice way back when.
Guide clients to purchase IBM hardware and develop in COBOL ...
and then the clients would be running a "commodity" platform
where they could more easily jump ship in a few years;
OR
Guide clients to RPG - where the client was then CAPTIVE since no
other machine had a serious RPG compiler.
It's the same marketing philosophy as Gillete razors, Apple OS,
and Lionel model trains. Give away the shaver and the client
cant go elsewhere - they HAVE to buy your razors/software/train-cars!
COBOL was governed by a standards organization and also the
federal government had their FIPS standards - so IBMs hands were
tied regarding COBOL. With RPG, IBM owned it all and they could
do whatever they wanted to keep RPG from becoming a commodity.
Simple as that.
RPG has HUGE advantages over COBOL on iseries. Mostly not due to
the language itself, but the fact that so many users have created
so many widgets that users share knowledge, experience, books, and even code.
But RPG on iseries does offer the following huge language
benefits over
COBOL:
Functions: with RPG one can create their own functions. COBOL
doesn't offer this, which is 100 nails in its coffin.
READE: in RPG this is one line of code; in COBOL it can be dozens
of lines of messy code (load the keys, read the file until keys
not =, then check the last record read for matching keys)
Note to people debating RPG vs COBOL: if you are in your 50's or
60's that's OK - retirement is soon. If younger, RUN to learn
another language. I think it will be amazing how quickly they
will both be a footnote in history!
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[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:47 PM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: why rpg and not cobol
Hi,
I would like to know why RPG is the principal language on the i.
Has it always been so since the days of the AS400 and beyond? Is
it just an IBM thing?
Thanks
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