RE: Display subfile page number

Well, I use subprocedures but not modules and service programs (hard to mix
into the 99% RPG II code I took over) with a named activation group (or
*Caller). I always thought of that as non-ILE. Personally I don't think
/free counts in the equation.

Geez, Barbara, which is it?!

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-----Original Message-----
From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Alan Campin
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:13 PM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: Re: Display subfile page number

Absolutely. Just because someone is write RPG III monolith code in RPG IV
does not make an ILE programmer.

ILE is using procedures, free format, modules, service programs, etc. Modern
RPG.

I see people all the time claiming to be ILE programmers who don't even know
what a procedure is.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Charles Wilt
<charles.wilt@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

I'm with Bob...

As far as I'm concerned, you can have RPG IV without ILE....that's
kind of the whole point to DFTACTGRP(*YES) isn't it?

I wish IBM had some official names for the styles...but they don't.

However, it seems pretty well accepted what one means by non-ILE RPGIV...

In my mind I break things down like so
RPGIII+ --> RPGIII source run through CVTRPGSRC
RPGIV ---> RPGIV op-codes & bifs, but with DFTACTGRP(*YES)
ILE RPG ---> use of service program and/or multiple modules

In fact, when I interview someone, I provide my definitions and ask
them to rate themselves...it's amazing how many people have "ILE RPG"
on their resumes without any experience with RPGIV specific op-codes
or bifs.

Charles


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 12:30 PM, sjl <sjl_abc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Bob -

I don't care what /you/ call it.

All that I am requesting is for people to use the correct terminology...

Regardless of how ugly the converted code may be (RPGII or whatever),

from a

system standpoint if you use the CRTBNDRPG command to compile it, it is

now

an RPGIV ILE program, no longer an Original Program Model program, and

you

cannot debug it with STRISDB any more - it requires STRDBG now.

And if you're running programs through CVTRPGSRC and converting the OPM

code

to fixed-form RPGIV, I would ask why you're not cleaning them up in the
process. I do.

- sjl


Bob wrote:
While you are correct in that one is a language and the other is an
environment. I disagree that just because you use the RPGIV syntax use

are

using the ILE environment. I appreciate the OP stating not ILE. To me,

it

means I can assume a few things. The program is one big program, not a
series of modules bound together. There is not a service program being
used.are a few things I would assume by this statement.

I can take an RPGIII program and run it through the IBM converter to

make

it (mostly) RPGIV syntax. IT will have an RPGLE type. But I would not

call

that an ILE program.




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