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Hi Matt, So far, from what I can see on my laptop (where I installed WDSC), most of the "speed" issues I've had with install/update were from "on-access virus scan" which is extremely S-L-O-W.... Each .jar must be fully scanned as something is being loaded from it, and these jars are not tiny. Anyway, my point is that perception fools you into thinking that this is IBMs fault, when in fact it's related to external factors. Eric DeLong Sally Beauty Company MIS-Project Manager (BSG) 940-297-2863 or ext. 1863 -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Matt.Haas@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:55 AM To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Weird Websphere Studio side effect <snip> With respect to WDSCi, I believe the biggest challenge is changing the way we work to match the tools. The legacy of PDM, SEU, and SDA has shaped the <snip> This is part of the problem but one of the biggest issues it has is that right out of the gate, you get stuck with a horrible install experience followed immediately by a horrible upgrade experience. Last time I installed it (this was the previous version), it took hours to go through the process (my PC isn't that old and slow, 1.6 GHz P4 and 1 gb RAM). IBM really needs to get a handle on the install process and make it better (to be fair, the latest Microsoft tools take a long time to install as well but that's no excuse). To the best of my knowledge, Eclipse doesn't take this long to install and jDeveloper (which is what we use here for Java) is really easy -- all you have to do is install a JDK and unzip jDeveloper. It takes about 10-15 minutes and you're done. I don't care how good a tool is, if it doesn't give the impression that it's going to make your life better right away or even worse, seems like it's going to be difficult to use, you're going to have a hard time of convincing people to use that tool. Matt
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