RE: Where to send die-hard RPG III programmers? -- RPG400-L

Hehe, now using that analogy (used to be a mechanic, and I'm a big car 
buff) I can relate.

A = Too cheap to buy a new car.
B = It's a classic and they don't make 'em like they used to. (In the case 
of the good antiques, ie Chevelle, GTO, etc)

Considering B though there's an awful lot of Dodges out there ready for 
the trash heap.  :)

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How about this?
Why do people keep their car for 15 or 20 years. 
"Because it still runs."

-Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Keith Carpenter
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:50 AM
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: Where to send die-hard RPG III programmers?

I'd like to hear the diehard "why not" arguments for RPG400 (RPG III) over
RPG IV.

I can think of some.
1. Stuck on some old pre-V3 system
2. Strictly doing maintenance work on a RPG III package and have been
restricted by shop standards from using ILE.
3.  Not trained on RPG IV.
4.  Consider RPG IV technically unnecessary or inferior.
5. Too busy.
6. Not interested.

This is not meant as a put down, but to get at why an RPG programmer would
not be using RPG IV.  The answers will tell a lot about the person and/or
their situation.

It's been about 10 years since the introduction RPG IV (V3R1 and ILE).  I
don't know any RPG programmer now that hasn't worked with RPG IV and has
seen some of the benefits.

There are many are not using the more advanced features which is a reason
for more education.   Training, conferences and books are all fine.



Keith





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Lehti" <ELehti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: Where to send die-hard RPG III programmers?


> Charles,  the www.rpgworld.com conference (or any venue where you get
> Bob Cozzi or Jon Paris and Susan Gantner) is the best place to learn
> "why" to use RPG IV, not just "how".
>
> Every attendee is an RPG IV believer afterward!
>
> "Saving the world, converting one programmer at a time"
>
> Eric Lehti
>
> Behalf Of CWilt@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:41 AM
> To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Where to send die-hard RPG III programmers?
>
> Scott, Bob, Tim, et al...
>
> Thanks for the feedback.  One concern I didn't see directly address by
> most
> is: would RPG World be a good place or the best place to learn WHY to
> use RPG IV and not just HOW to use it?
>
> Thanks again,
> Charles
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Klement [mailto:rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:22 PM
> > To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
> > Subject: Re: Where to send die-hard RPG III programmers?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > This past spring, at RPG World in Chicago, Paul Tuohy did a whole
> > series on learning RPG IV for RPG III programmers.  I would definitely
>
> > recommend that series, but I don't know if he's intending to repeat it
>
> > at the RPG World that's coming up towards the end of this month.  I
> > don't see it in the preliminary agenda -- but I'll let him answer. :)
> >
> > There's still a lot of useful stuff on the preliminary agenda, such as
>
> > the definition spec, protototypes, date logic, expressions and BIFs,
> > etc.
> > These subjects are really the ones that people get stuck on when
> > making the move from III to IV.
> >
> > Naturally, you'd want to be careful where you sent him.  If his first
> > session on RPG IV is "Pointers and User Spaces" he's likely to throw
> > in the hat. :)
> >
> > Another alternative is Bryan Meyers' upcoming Web class entitled "RPG
> > IV for RPG Programmers"  I haven't watched this class personally so I
> > haven't had a chance to form opinions of it.  What I can tell you is
> > that it's an "e-Learning" session that runs over the Web, and that
> > orientation for the class needs to be done by Sept 7th.
> >
> > If that interests you, there's more info here:
> > http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/edu/e-learning//index.cfm?fuseac
> tion=CourseInfo&section_id=1116
>
> Aside from those two things, my only recommendations are books. I've got
> some good ones listed here:
> http://www.scottklement.com/rpg/howtolearn.html
>
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