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So is there an argument in Java, or any other language, to make it fixed format? Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com |-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------| | "Bob Cozzi" | | | <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx> | | | Sent by: | To| | rpg400-l-bounces@midrange.| "'RPG | | com | programm| | | ing on | | 07/28/2004 08:37 AM | the | | | AS400 / | | Please respond to | iSeries'| | RPG programming on the | " | | AS400 / iSeries | <rpg400-| | <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>| l@midran| | | ge.com> | | | cc| | | | | | Subject| | | RE: | | | converti| | | ng stri| | | ng to a | | | numeric | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------| RPG started out fixed, so whether or not it started out free is irrelevant. Some reasons the free-format stuff isn't 100% yet, is because it is new. For example, when a new language, such as Java arrived on the scene, it had so many shortcomings and eventually became better (although the idea of Java is like saying English should be spoken by all humans in all countries... It just doesn't make any sense to me at all, but I, as usual, digress. <g>) The point is there is a lot of legacy in RPGIV/RPGIII's columnar instructions. Granted there are some (many?) at IBM who think that the MOVE/MOVEL opcodes should not exist (why aren't their equivalent in /FREE?) and those that think the truncating numbers on an assignment should always cause an error. Well, I could suggest that some people, way back when choose RPG and the S/3x platforms because they were unlike all the other systems. That is they did things in a way so that we could get the job of running business applications done. I could go on, but it could turn ugly. :) -Bo -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:20 AM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: Re: converting string to a numeric Can you actually see someone making the argument that an existing free format language needed to be converted into fixed format? If RPG had started out as /free can you imagine people actually arguing for fixed formatting? Are there strong debates in other languages to convert them into fixed format? Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com |-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------| | "James H H Lampert" | | | <jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxx> | | | Sent by: | To| | rpg400-l-bounces@midrange.| <rpg400-l@midr| | com | ange.com> | | | cc| | 07/26/2004 05:43 PM | | | | Subject| | Please respond to | Re: | | RPG programming on the | converting st| | AS400 / iSeries | ring to a | | <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>| numeric | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------------------------+-------------------------------------------| > Call me old-fashioned but because indicators are such dangerous little > suckers I'd rather see an explicit SETON or SETOFF operation. > > Use numeric operations for numeric operands, character operations for > character operands, and indicator operations for indicator operands. AMEN! And leave languages that are naturally fixed-source-format AS fixed-source-format: if you're working in FORTRAN, for example, you can indent all you want BEYOND Column 7, but keep the statements at or beyond that column, and the continuations in 6, and the labels in 1-5. When a language is designed to have a fixed source format, free-formatting the source just makes it harder to read. You want free-format source? Use Pascal, C, ALGOL, PL/I, LISP, Java, or Modula-2. They're designed for it. -- JHHL -- This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. -- This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. -- This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l.
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