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It is funny, but about two months before they announced the 8xx line, the sales people came into the offices of several of my clients and told them the prices of upgrades are going up for their model(s) so they better upgrade today. Well they didn't lie, but the 8xx line came out and made the previous models, include the $250,000 upgrade they just installed, "obsolete". Well guess what? They just visited us again with the same story. I think Bill Lowell the old head of IBM's PC division back in the 1980's said it best "New cameras come out every year, if you keep waiting for the next model to come out, you'll never buy a camera." Updating "The Modern RPG IV Language" book with the stuff in the new release has been easy. I don't mind selling you a new edition every year or two, but unlike IBM, I sure do feel bad about it. :) -Bob -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:27 PM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Any new RPG features in V5R3 ? Don't sign anything you don't agree to. If you don't want to play by their rules, leave the ballpark. Frankly if you signed a NDA and you don't keep it to yourself, then your word is worth nothing. Lot's of people care. Can you imagine the delays in purchasing if there was an announcement in the works for some super new model coming out that was a thousand times as powerful as their top of the line and it could be purchased for 10 pounds of scrap aluminum? (Just used as an example - don't make any business decisions based on this example.) IBM would be honked if this were true, and it was leaked by someone who signed a NDA. There are shops, with multiple iSeries, who will have all of their models on the latest release of OS within 6 months of GA date. Who have actually cut off divisions (who didn't have source or compilers) from getting any mods because they were no longer on a supported release. (Boy, did they upgrade fast!) They will use the latest enhancements as soon as the first production machine is at the latest release. I never want to discourage people from studying the latest in the language. Those who let themselves be led by those who never upgrade, who brag because their stuff runs on V2R3, who never use a technique that wasn't taught in their RPGII class in college; are being led to the unemployment line. I can see how it would be frustrating to write books about RPG and have them come out with whole new techniques that might give the appearance that your books were obsolete. Look at it as an opportunity to get people to buy your latest revision. Rob Berendt -- Group Dekko Services, LLC Dept 01.073 PO Box 2000 Dock 108 6928N 400E Kendallville, IN 46755 http://www.dekko.com "Bob Cozzi" <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 03/09/2004 03:51 PM Please respond to RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Any new RPG features in V5R3 ? So who cares? NDA's are not what they used to be, when you actually learned about upcoming stuff far in advance of when it was being publicized. Today, virtually everyone knows just about everything major coming out, and what we don't know about, we probably don't care about. And certainly nobody (i.e. IBM competitors) are going to incorporate cool, new RPG IV enhancements into their products because somebody said "Hey, they %TRIMR built-in now allows you to specify the character or characters you want to delete." The other thing that's curious to me is, why do you care if someone breaks their non-discloser? Perhaps you're just letting them know that they may have violated it, as a courtesy to them. Oh well. Except for users of the new convergence machine (combined iSeries and pSeries) that might require V5.3, how quickly will anybody move to V5R3? I would guess it will be 2006 before at least 50% of the install base as moved, so V5.3 is a non-issue, to most in my opinion. -Bob -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Landess Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:24 PM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: Re: Any new RPG features in V5R3 ? And you may have violated the ND by posting this message! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gottlieb" <gottlm@xxxxxxxxx> To: <RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: Any new RPG features in V5R3 ? > > My company has joined the V5R3 beta code test team at IBM. Are there any new RPG features in this release ? > > > > Michael Gottlieb > gottlm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > gottlm@xxxxxxxxx > > Out of every 10 people, one understands binary, the other doesn't. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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