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  3. December 2003

RE: RPG.NET

Hi Gang,

it sounds like everyone agrees that Java would be the way to go if the
learning curve wasn't so high.  Why don't you look into tools developed for
your traditional iSeries developer that enable you to write Java code with
almost no learning curve?  I know this sounds too good to be true but it's
not, here's a case study you can read:

http://www.mrc-productivity.com/customers/cov2.pdf

If you have any questions or want to see more, please feel free to contact
me.

I do work for mrc.

Sincerely,

Sal Stangarone
michaels, ross & cole, ltd.
630.916.0662

-----Original Message-----
From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Duane Kehoe
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:38 PM
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: RPG.NET


   I often times feel the same way.  Believe me I have been tinkering with
   tomcat for months trying to learn jsps and the server side at the same
   time with little luck(I got my first simple app to work no problems but
   could not get a second more complicated version to run correctly ever, I
   think my web.xml file is wrong only I can not seem to find where??).
   However WDSc integrates the tomcat environments and the websphere
   environments directly into it which is helpful in reducing the learning
   curve / difficulty.  As does Netbeans the other major java IDE available
   to the market.

   I do agree though that java does have a steep learning curve for RPG
   programmers.  I actually have gone the opposite of most programmers in
   that I knew java before learning RPG and can remember asking  /
   complaining about the archainness of RPG as I started to learn it(I could
   not believe there where not any real string to numeric APIs I actually
had
   to write my own), not to mention the column oriented design.  I have now
   started witting free format RPG which I actually find very powerful and
   easy to code, free formatting gave me a reason to love RPG :-) .

   Another developer recently reviewed ASNA here and liked it very much
   except for the costs which they said where high, I don't have access to
   actual numbers unfortunately.

   I do think that with any new technology there will be a learning curve
   though and using that curve as a reason not to try a tool is not good
   practice in my experience / our line of work(we are supposed to be the
   techno junkies according to everyone else - like the movie says: we're
the
   guys who think this stuff up).  Just because it is hard does not mean I
   should not use it, I firmly adhere to the use the best tool for the job
   theory, in my life.  Just my thoughts.

   Bartell, Aaron L. (TC) wrote:

 <Duane>
    If you have software subscription you already own WDSc(I actually think
    this comes with any purchase of a new version of the OS/400 including
RPG
    compiler) which will give a load of tools to accomplish whatever you
need
    to .  Hope this helps.
 </Duane>

 One thing that Java has working against it is that nobody has taken the
time
 to integrate all of the useful components into an easy to use interface.  I
 have programmed a good handful of Java applications and I would take Java
 over .NET any day of the week if I didn't have to take 6 months off just to
 get a handle on which Java technologies I want to implement in my business.
 I go to sites like Jakarta.apache.org and just bow my head in hopes of
 understanding the new technologies they come out with and how they work
with
 the rest of the world of Java technologies.

 My mind is still up in the air on Java vs.  xxxx.NET, but now that RPG.NET
 is available it is enticing to at least try it out since I have a copy of
 VS.NET on my laptop.

 Anybody know pricing on ASNA's RPG.NET (without VS.NET)?  They don't have
it
 on their site. . .

 Aaron Bartell

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Duane Kehoe [mailto:dkehoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:57 PM
 To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
 Subject: Re: RPG.NET


    I agree with Scott(of tn5250 fame - I am a long time user until recently
    when IBM finally released an iSeries Access product for Linux).

    Personal M$ feelings asside being more open and agile to change is
    advantagous, thus making java the best option IMHO.  However, in regards
    to the VARPG compile to Java bytecode, I have tried this with little
    luck.  Even after getting all the IBM jars loaded into my classpath I
get
    funny errors in Linux from bigdecimal errors to null pointer exceptions.
    I will admit I have not tried VARPG's compile to java option in a couple
    of years though, so they may have improved it since I last looked at it.

    If you have software subscription you already own WDSc(I actually think
    this comes with any purchase of a new version of the OS/400 including
RPG
    compiler) which will give a load of tools to accomplish whatever you
need
    to .  Hope this helps.

    Bartell, Aaron L. (TC) wrote:

  Hi Scott,

  Good comments, just wanted to address one of them with this link:



  But, I will continue to avoid a .NET solution because I don't want to be


  locked into Windows.
  http://www.dotnet.za.net/viewcategory.asp?catid=5

  Right up your alley right? ;-)

  Aaron Bartell

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Scott Klement [mailto:klemscot@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:45 AM
  To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
  Subject: Re: RPG.NET





  A co-worker just sent me this.  http://www.asna.com/AVRNETandMicrosoft.asp

  Just wondering if anybody has any experience with it along with well


  rounded


  opinions? Emphasis on well rounded and not blasts at Microsoft.


  I guess it depends on your requirements.   ASNA has a good reputation.

  On the other hand, if you're going to write Windows-only PC software,
  Visual Basic is a lot more mainstream, a lot more widely supported.
  You'll find lots of add-ons for it (though, they probably also work with
  RPG.NET) and lots of code examples for various things on the Internet.
  Though, it may be more difficult to integrate with an iSeries.

  Java also has it's advantages, in that the code isn't Windows-only.  You
  can run it on Mac, Linux, *BSD, or even OS/400.

  VARPG also has it's advantages.... for one thing, you've already got it if
  you're paying for Websphere Devel Studio, and for another, it can compile
  to Java bytecode so (theoretically) the compiled object can be run
  anywhere.

  Personally, I think using ANY of them is better than using none.  But, I
  will continue to avoid a .NET solution because I don't want to be locked
  into Windows.

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