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I often times feel the same way. Believe me I have been tinkering with
tomcat for months trying to learn jsps and the server side at the same
time with little luck(I got my first simple app to work no problems but
could not get a second more complicated version to run correctly ever, I
think my web.xml file is wrong only I can not seem to find where??).
However WDSc integrates the tomcat environments and the websphere
environments directly into it which is helpful in reducing the learning
curve / difficulty. As does Netbeans the other major java IDE available
to the market.
I do agree though that java does have a steep learning curve for RPG
programmers. I actually have gone the opposite of most programmers in
that I knew java before learning RPG and can remember asking /
complaining about the archainness of RPG as I started to learn it(I could
not believe there where not any real string to numeric APIs I actually had
to write my own), not to mention the column oriented design. I have now
started witting free format RPG which I actually find very powerful and
easy to code, free formatting gave me a reason to love RPG :-) .
Another developer recently reviewed ASNA here and liked it very much
except for the costs which they said where high, I don't have access to
actual numbers unfortunately.
I do think that with any new technology there will be a learning curve
though and using that curve as a reason not to try a tool is not good
practice in my experience / our line of work(we are supposed to be the
techno junkies according to everyone else - like the movie says: we're the
guys who think this stuff up). Just because it is hard does not mean I
should not use it, I firmly adhere to the use the best tool for the job
theory, in my life. Just my thoughts.
Bartell, Aaron L. (TC) wrote:
<Duane>
If you have software subscription you already own WDSc(I actually think
this comes with any purchase of a new version of the OS/400 including RPG
compiler) which will give a load of tools to accomplish whatever you need
to . Hope this helps.
</Duane>
One thing that Java has working against it is that nobody has taken the time
to integrate all of the useful components into an easy to use interface. I
have programmed a good handful of Java applications and I would take Java
over .NET any day of the week if I didn't have to take 6 months off just to
get a handle on which Java technologies I want to implement in my business.
I go to sites like Jakarta.apache.org and just bow my head in hopes of
understanding the new technologies they come out with and how they work with
the rest of the world of Java technologies.
My mind is still up in the air on Java vs. xxxx.NET, but now that RPG.NET
is available it is enticing to at least try it out since I have a copy of
VS.NET on my laptop.
Anybody know pricing on ASNA's RPG.NET (without VS.NET)? They don't have it
on their site. . .
Aaron Bartell
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Kehoe [mailto:dkehoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:57 PM
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: RPG.NET
I agree with Scott(of tn5250 fame - I am a long time user until recently
when IBM finally released an iSeries Access product for Linux).
Personal M$ feelings asside being more open and agile to change is
advantagous, thus making java the best option IMHO. However, in regards
to the VARPG compile to Java bytecode, I have tried this with little
luck. Even after getting all the IBM jars loaded into my classpath I get
funny errors in Linux from bigdecimal errors to null pointer exceptions.
I will admit I have not tried VARPG's compile to java option in a couple
of years though, so they may have improved it since I last looked at it.
If you have software subscription you already own WDSc(I actually think
this comes with any purchase of a new version of the OS/400 including RPG
compiler) which will give a load of tools to accomplish whatever you need
to . Hope this helps.
Bartell, Aaron L. (TC) wrote:
Hi Scott,
Good comments, just wanted to address one of them with this link:
But, I will continue to avoid a .NET solution because I don't want to be
locked into Windows.
http://www.dotnet.za.net/viewcategory.asp?catid=5
Right up your alley right? ;-)
Aaron Bartell
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Klement [mailto:klemscot@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:45 AM
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: RPG.NET
A co-worker just sent me this. http://www.asna.com/AVRNETandMicrosoft.asp
Just wondering if anybody has any experience with it along with well
rounded
opinions? Emphasis on well rounded and not blasts at Microsoft.
I guess it depends on your requirements. ASNA has a good reputation.
On the other hand, if you're going to write Windows-only PC software,
Visual Basic is a lot more mainstream, a lot more widely supported.
You'll find lots of add-ons for it (though, they probably also work with
RPG.NET) and lots of code examples for various things on the Internet.
Though, it may be more difficult to integrate with an iSeries.
Java also has it's advantages, in that the code isn't Windows-only. You
can run it on Mac, Linux, *BSD, or even OS/400.
VARPG also has it's advantages.... for one thing, you've already got it if
you're paying for Websphere Devel Studio, and for another, it can compile
to Java bytecode so (theoretically) the compiled object can be run
anywhere.
Personally, I think using ANY of them is better than using none. But, I
will continue to avoid a .NET solution because I don't want to be locked
into Windows.
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