RE: Starting out with sub-procedures -- RPG400-L

<to those I cc'd, please lemme know if I should not do this anymore, and
apologize in advance>

Ah...  Thanks for clearing /some/ of that up, Jon, on the technical side-a
the questions...!

| -----Original Message-----
| From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jon Paris


| JT
|
|   >> But if the procedure is written in another language, then those
| languages do not have a PI defined so there is no checking until run time.
|
| All languages have the equivalent of a PI (RPG's *ENTRY PLIST is the same
| thing with different syntax) but not all have prototyping - notably CL and
| COBOL do not.

C has prototyping?  Does the RPGLE compiler validate against the C
prototype???


| The real problem with this statement however is "there is no
| checking until
| run time".  Leave out the words "until run time" and the statement is
| accurate.  i.e. "there is no checking".  The reason that prototyping is
| valuable is _because_ there is no run time checking of parms.

That's in the C-world.  CPF checks number of parms, and programs that pass
wrong data types consistently error off.  They don't corrupt data, generally
speaking.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

OTOH:

| Only nasty
| explosions if you are lucky, and corrupted data if you are not.

Is that why my posts are, apparently, being moderated by some group(s) of
people, besides David??  (I s'pose there's a very slim chance there's
actually a technical glitch why some-a my posts show up hours or days later,
and others disappear into the ether(-Net...;-)?  I actually APPRECIATE the
moderation, as some-a my posts went too "deep".  But I don't appreciate not
knowing WHO is doing this, nor is there ANY communication as to what is
wrong with a given post.

I think it relates, very directly, to this post from Joe last Friday:

| -----Original Message-----
| From: rpg400-l-bounces+jt=ee.net@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces+jt=ee.net@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
| Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:22 PM
| To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'
| Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures
|
|
| > From: Hans Boldt
| >
| > But if there is a reluctance to accept procedures in
| > particular, then perhaps early retirement should be offered.
|
| Hmmm.  Hans is saying that someone should look for a new job if they
| don't conform to certain standards.  But if *I* say something like that
| about Hans, it's unacceptable behavior and deserves a killfile.
|
| Interesting how perspective changes perception.
|
| Joe
|

But it goes a little deeper than that.

Hans and the rest of the RPG Team are allowed to actively work on putting an
entire class of "dinosaurs" out of a job.  Han's has stated, many times in
many ways, that that's his goal.  And why??

Ignorance (to be arrogant I s'pose).  I make allowance for being ignorant,
because I am.. frequently.

| -----Original Message-----
| From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Hans Boldt
| Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:14 AM
| To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| Subject: Re: Please vote for Syntax check in /FREE!
|
|
| Hmmmm, where to start?....
|
|
| jt wrote:
| > ...
| > I and a some other posters have some no small experience in this regard,
| > which I believe the RPG development team lacks.  I would be surprised to
| > learn (pleasantly surprised, 'course) if there is much RPG app
| development
| > experience on the team.  But I believe there are a fair number
| of very vocal
| > posters who don't have a real good idea of what RPG even CAN do
| currently,
| > but who like to believe they have a real GOOD idea of where RPG
| just HAS-ta
| > be headed.
| >
|
| You do have a point here. The developers on the RPG team understand
| compiler writing and language design a lot better than application
| development.

<snip>

I don't appreciate being put into forced early-retirement by a
compiler-writer, just because I prefer RPG over C or Java.  In addition, it
makes no sense in the marketspace.  If there's a market for dinosaurs who
know RPGIII, RPGIV and /some or a LOT/ of ILE, then why is there a need for
ToroLabs to FORCE people to code C-style?

I appreciate that it's supposedly in the name of "progress", and is intended
to be for the greater "good" for RPG, but it excludes all but the (relative)
few that prefer C-style over RPG-style.