RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures -- RPG400-L

As the one person stated, my argument was that, for many people, that if 
they don't use a new technique, to the exclusion of the old, for a set 
period then you truly don't learn the new technique, or adopt it as 
fluidly.  And only after that set period can you return to using the old 
for cases when it makes sense.

I still use subroutines when it's appropriate, but my usage of 
subprocedures far outweighs subroutines.

I argued that we should have eliminated the command STRSEU from our 
machines for 2 to 3 months after paying an instructor to give a 2 day 
class on CODE/400 a few years back.  After that time, if you truly felt 
that there were times when STRSEU may have been more appropriate, then use 
that.  But at least peek at the top of the training curve before you run 
for the storm shelter.

Rob Berendt
-- 
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary 
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
Benjamin Franklin 




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Well, Rob.  You're still one-a my favo-RITES...;-D

I believe, and some would agree and some would disagree, that issuing a
"Commandment from God" is tripping out, and I believe most would find that
to be an exhibition of very poor people-skills.  There are differences in
management styles, and I was told by one-a my mentors (a Controller in the
"small" $200M company, and I've found in my experience) that the best
managers will use different approaches depending on the individual they 
are
working with.


And one to eliminate ALL subroutines, at that...!  Are you aware that (in
tests I ran a few years ago, so newer hardware/software may be different) 
a
BEGSR "call" is twice as fast as a bound call.

As someone (I apologize, I forget who, several iirc) pointed out, when you
are running a batch job over a million bazillion records, then a module
makes one HECK of a performance difference over a program, which is one of
it's many benefits.

So, too, subroutines still have a use in some cases, just like primary 
files
do.  All that's new is not necessarily for the better, and all that's old 
is
not necessarily for the worst.  That is an oversimplification.


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| Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:58 AM
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| I think that what you are saying is that if it's so simplistic that you
| don't want to bother with PI's/PR's then you wouldn't want to bother 
with
| BEGSR's/EXSR's.  Interesting thought.
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| By the way, I compiled a very simple program with a subroutine in it 
just
| to see if it generated any messages like RNF#### - list of subroutines.
| Nothing.  Too bad, if there was I bet you could have CHGMSGD and
| kicked up
| the severity to a higher number.  And that would have stopped the
| compiler.  I bet that's a technique not published in "How to Win Friends
| and Influence People".      :-)
|
| Rob Berendt
| --
| "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
| safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
| Benjamin Franklin
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| Hey, maybe have the precompiler search for BEGSR's and kill the compile?
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| Rob, it's not that I'd never RETURN from within a subroutine.  It's just
| that I'd
| never tolerate a one-statement subroutine.  Never.  Don't even go there.
|
| GA
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| --- rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
| > And that's a good way to evolve.
| >
| > Stop using subroutines, no matter how simple.  And use subprocedures
| > instead.  While the subroutine may be too simplistic to make sense to
| > bother with the PR's and PI's it's a good discipline to stick
| to it as a
|
| > "Commandment from God" for two to three months just to get into
| practice.
| > And then, only then, go back to using subroutines when it's really
| > simplistic.  Or you have some special need like having RETURN exit the
| > program and not just the subprocedure.  (There are those who feel that
| > exiting a program from a subroutine is a violation of structured
| > programming and is punishable by (your humorous situation here)).
| >
| > Then as you evolve you can decide which subprocedures might make sense
| to
| > move to a service program.
| >
| > Rob Berendt
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