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Interesting idea. Did you FRED that or DCR it? I wonder how frustrating it would be to do HTML and only limit yourself to stuff supported on 5250? Although I would dearly love to have html's text field for variable length fields. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "Bob cozzi" <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx> Sent by: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/24/2003 10:07 AM Please respond to RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures UIM should have been supplanted with HTML by now, in my view. The fact that we still need to code a language like that for helptext and other things is just ridiculous. Bob Cozzi Cozzi Consulting www.rpgiv.com -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:45 AM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures Amen to that Eric. However I've been on the other foot. I regret to say that I once strongly discouraged the use of UIM because of maintenance purposes, "who else here knows that?". Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/24/2003 09:08 AM Please respond to RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To "'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures Actually, yes, I think I would be surprised by her actions. In her situation, the choices seem simple: 1) Call the guy who wrote the stuff for a consult. Even without direct access to a terminal, his experience could have resolved her problems quickly. 2) Hire an outside expert to repair the problem. Not as efficient, since the consultant must gain understanding the hard way. 3) Scrap a complete and basically functional app, and completely rewrite it (in an archaic language/style). By far the least productive of all choices, since it means all the money spent on the initial development AND the money spent on an unnecessary rewrite are WASTED. observation: If the manager never reviewed the code before it hit her machine, then what does she expect. It's her job to understand what her box is sopposed to be doing, and how it must be managed and maintained. This is sort of a hot button for me... There's ever more pressure being placed on us to produce the highest quality software, with the richest feature-set, and snazziest interfaces. Make it perfect and idiot-proof and stable and portable. But write it all in RPGII so our janitor/junior ops programmer flunkie who programmed a S34 once back in 1984 can help to maintain it for the next 40 years or so. Eric DeLong Sally Beauty Company MIS-Project Manager (BSG) 940-898-7863 or ext. 1863 -----Original Message----- From: Booth Martin [mailto:Booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:35 PM To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures Can her reaction be a surprise? He's gone and suddenly she has a non-useful application and bosses breathing down her neck. In a perfect world all IT shops would have 20% or more of programmer time budgeted for training. But alas... it will never happen. --------------------------------------------------------- Booth Martin http://www.MartinVT.com Booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Date: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:26:28 PM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures ..... Another horror story I have heard in the past year - another colleague of mine had written a stand-alone application completely in RPGIV. He even designed his database with 10-character field names and date and time fields. He used sub-procedures. Then he cut his hand with a band-saw and was out on medical leave for 2 1/2 months. Needless to say, one of his managers had to make a change to his app. She didn't understand any of it, so, she re-wrote the entire thing in RPG/400. When he came back off of medical leave, he was told he could not use any RPGIV at all, .... Bob Cagle IT Manager Lynk, Inc. 913-492-9202 x41 _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l.
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