Re: Visual RPG vs. Other Visual languages was ->RE: Is RPG available on any other platform ?

Aaron -
If you are so _down_ on RPG (which is apparent to me by the nature of your
postings), then _why_ do you even participate in this forum?

I think you just like to stir things up....

Steve Landess
Austin, Texas
(512) 423-0935

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bartell, Aaron L. (TC)" <ALBartell@taylorcorp.com>
To: <rpg400-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Visual RPG vs. Other Visual languages was ->RE: Is RPG available on
any other platform ?


> >Aaron we've moved very far off topic.
> Easy fix.  Just change the Subject.
>
> I can see your point of going to VARPG if your shop is entirely RPG
> programmers with little ambition to learn a different language.
>
> <snip>
> If you know other languages then use them, but for an RPG shop with
> employees that
> know their data already, and know their users, and know their RPGIV,
> learning event-driven logic is a no-brainer.
> </snip>
>
> I am not sure where you are going with this one, because if event driven
is
> a no-brainer then learn VB or VB.net. Then you gain the obvious advantages
> of going with a better language.  But if your RPG programmers do not have
> the ambition to learn a different language then I see your point.
>
> >They can find VB programmers of course but the diaper costs can become
> prohibitive.
>
> You would be surprised what a kid out of college can pull off, given the
> chance and the tools.  Don't look at how much somebody knows when you hire
> them, look at how much they can learn in a given time frame.
>
> >These shops can have a few inquiry applications up and running quicker
than
> they can find and hire a qualified Java programmer.
>
> The problem with this is that you are going to be hard pressed to find
> _anyone_ well versed in the Java technologies.  That is not because Java
is
> near impossible to learn, but because it is growing so fast the adoption
can
> seem daunting.  What I have found, though, is that it is growing at a very
> nice rate.  Business is changing and we need toolsets to change just as
fast
> so we don't have to write everything from scratch.  The thing with Java is
> that you only need to use the functionality of the language as it becomes
> know to you.  I have yet to use Interfaces in Java because I don't have a
> real good grasp of them, but I use a lot of other nice features like
> extending, creating my own data types, overriding, etc. . .
>
> >Remember, we are dealing in a reality where MIS is measured by the speed
> and up-time of e-mail, not ROI.
> This is either the opinion of some narrow minded people or your company
has
> some serious problems with their view of IT.  Somebody in your department
> needs to start pounding their hand on the table a little harder to let
upper
> management know that IT has a place in your business.
>
> Aaron Bartell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Booth Martin [mailto:Booth@MartinVT.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: rpg400-l@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Is RPG available on any other platform ?
>
>
>
>  Aaron we've moved very far off topic.  The original issue is "Is RPG
> available on any other platform?"  My answer is "Yes, use VARPG on
Windows."
>  That statement still holds.  If your language is RPG then VARPG is a
choice
> that is available to you.
>
> Discussion of other languages, etc, is for another place and time.  If you
> know other languages then use them, but for an RPG shop with employees
that
> know their data already, and know their users, and know their RPGIV,
> learning event-driven logic is a no-brainer.
>
> These shops have the ability to use their team skills and put out plenty
of
> slick and fast Windows programs that their users will love.  These shops
can
> have a few inquiry applications up and running quicker than they can find
> and hire a qualified Java programmer.  They can find VB programmers of
> course but the diaper costs can become prohibitive.
>
> Remember, we are dealing in a reality where MIS is measured by the speed
and
> up-time of e-mail, not ROI.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Booth Martin   http://www.MartinVT.com
> Booth@MartinVT.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: rpg400-l@midrange.com
> Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 09:38:48 AM
> To: 'rpg400-l@midrange.com'
> Subject: RE: Is RPG available on any other platform ?
>
> >...The learning curve for new employees on many green screen applications
> is
> >just too frustrating today.
>
> This is also the reason I have heard in my company. . .
>
> Aaron
>
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