Re: email etiquette (was Dynamic Arrays) -- RPG400-L

Well, Tracy speaks for me!  I've been monitoring this list
for some time now, and have gotten some great tips.
Unfortunately, now and then one has to wade through the
volumes of ego and arrogance to get to "the good stuff",
and I gotta say, Simon, you can, at times, be right at the
top of the arrogance list!  I've read you insulting people
many times.  You and others and correct though - if I
don't like what you have to say I can choose not to read,
and that's fine.  And what's up with your reference to
"Himanshu-san"??  Was that called for??

I hoped that in a post-9/11 world we would be thinking
before we speak/write and try to be kinder to one another.
Obviously some people don't care what they say, but yes,
you sure as heck have a right to say it.  It all goes back
to being a nice, tolerant person in general.

I apologize to the rest of the group, but just had to give
this dead horse one last shot in support of Tracy, who's
been brave enough to stand up to this kind of behavior.

Wendy

On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:23:15 -0500
 Tracy Ball <tball@totalresponse.com> wrote:

Simon,

Did you invent this forum?  I don't think so!  If you are
in here, then you
are not only representing yourself, but you are also
representing Midrange
and the rpg/400 community in general.  Frankly, if I had
to wade through a
bunch of egotistical idiots who believe what and how they
say things isn't
important, then I would much rather spend hours pouring
over books and
websites then give them their own satisfaction of
thinking they are all high
and mighty and that the rest of the people are somehow
"bothering" them.

The sad thing is, you have a good point and so did Scott,
or Steve, or
whoever it was.  Yes, it would be much better for people
to do a little
research and try to get as much done on their own as
possible.  Sometimes
that is done, sometimes it isn't.  Regardless, why should
anyone in here be
a judge or jury either way?

If someone asks a question that you feel you don't have
time or patience to
answer, then don't do it. I am sure there are plenty of
people who will.

And last but not least, and this is my point, I won't
even read an email
that comes from you any more, and therefore I won't learn
anything from it,
and I damn sure don't care where you stand!  Multiply
that times however
many there are in here , and the reason this forum is
here has just lost
some of its luster.

As for the majority in here, keep up the good work, this
is still an
invaluable tool for saving time and money!

-Tracy



-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Coulter [mailto:shc@flybynight.com.au]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:08 AM
To: rpg400-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: email etiquette (was Dynamic Arrays)



Hello Michael,

You wrote:

FWIW, I didn't think Scott's post was either arrogant or
out of line. A
little abrupt, maybe, but nowhere near the most abrupt
I've seen on
this list (Simon, Al -- are you listening? :-).

I realise that is retorical but yes, I am listening.  I
don't think Al
deserves to be included though.  I thought both
Himanshu-san and Murali
were lucky that they were called to task by someone other
than me.  I'd
give them cause for complaint!  Although I notice that
neither of them
have complained -- others have been aggrieved on their
behalf.  In both
cases, the way the questions were asked indicated that
very little
research or effort had been expended on the part of the
questioner.  Few
on this list appreciate the plethora of "show me how"
questions that
have been appearing over the last few months from people
who are
obviously out of their depth.

"newbies" (that is such an awful word) should watch and
read for a while
to get a feel for the list.  The really good people who
frequent this
list are not here to provide free education.  We will
help you with
technical difficulties but we expect that you have at
least read the
appropriate manuals, read the relevant help text,
searched the archives,
and tried a few things for yourself before you bother us.
You should
phrase your questions in such a manner as to indicate
what you've done
to help yourselves.  It is also reasonable for us to
expect that you
have had some training to equip you for the job you are
attempting --
many of the "show me" questions indicate a serious lack
of training.  It
is not our job to help you compensate for management who
won't train you
or help you do a task for which you are not qualified.

Tracy (and others), if you are offended by something I
say or write then
that is your problem not mine.  I am not here to pander
to your
sensibilities.  If you don't like what I say them just
ignore it.  You
might not like how I say something but I guarantee you
will learn from
it and by God you'll know where I stand (and I'll bet
someone, somewhere
will be offended by that reference to a non-existent
entity -- either
because they believe, or because they don't, or because
they beleive in
something else.  See, I can't win without censoring my
own words ...)

Now having added my spice this broth I shall withdraw and
let other
cooks spoil it.

Regards,
Simon Coulter.
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