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Paul, >And how many of them have they sold yet... and do they indeed cost less ? I've got no idea if they have been sold yes or no. IBM is telling they have already earned back their investments made in Linux. >How comes that OS/400 is not known by many people, and Linux is ? Free, >free and again free is the only issue as stated before. BTW, the fact that >it is free is not a big deal in a commercial environment (I know many >companies that play with Linux, but once it goes to production it runs on >commercial Unix versions... not Linux !), but it is for education (the place >where people get linked with a certain OS). Agree. Most companies are using server linux to run their web sites, mail servers, firewalls ...etc. When I went to a Linux meeting a few weeks ago IBM was present stating they LOVE the idea of open-source and Linux. When being asked 'should we use Linux to run business critical applications?' the answer was no (use IBM's AIX instead!) for the moment.(talking about ambigiuty) What concerns all this open-source give away technology don't forget IBM is spending millions into eclipse, the IDE-tool for all languages and every project (open source?) which they are giving away for free. Linux is also rapidly evolving on the desktop. >Lol... OS/400 isn't open... do you mean that iSeries should have a door ? I was simply stating that Linux is open and OS/400 is not. And everyone having C knowledge can alter the kernel of Linux if wanted. >Magic buzzwords... yeah, I know them as well... in that case IBM should hire >the M$ marketing department as buzzwords have nothing to do with quality of >the products. I hope you just don't run your business on them... I've never >seen a buzz-system. Agree. >At the end... I hope IBM is not betting on that one. Do you have figures on >Java installations (which go beyond the two screen demo... and do more than >turning a cup of coffee around) as well as Linux ones (real business cases, >not school kids at home, or the small companies that have one configured as >router or firewall). Real business cases please... I bet together they >don't even reach the number of installed iSeries boxes. We have rewritten our business application in ... ILE rpgle with a java c/s front end (Swing) using the MVC architecture. (I'm testing the web view at the moment) I've used as much embbedded SQL as possible if we ever wanted to change to EJB programming. Have a look at sun's site if you want to have a look at business applications written in Java. >The open or proprietary discussion is one big joke. Tell me why I iSeries >isn't open. I can choose between native HTTP, Apache, Bea, Websphere, >Tomcat, Jetty, ... to give an example. Oh, you mean the database... well >ever tried to port an Oracle application to Sybase, or M$ SQL Server to >DB/2. Do you consider the effort such a project requires 'open'. If I know >of one OS that isn't open today than it is definitely Windows. ? Kind regards, Geert Van Landeghem -----Original Message----- From: Nicolay, Paul [mailto:paul_nicolay@merck.com] Sent: maandag 11 maart 2002 16:14 To: 'rpg400-l@midrange.com' Subject: RE: The status quo and the future... Geert, Kind regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: Geert Van Landeghem [mailto:gvl@reynderseti.be] Sent: 11 March, 2002 15:57 To: 'rpg400-l@midrange.com' Subject: RE: The status quo and the future... Paul, IBM has already released their new mainframe running only Linux. Why have they done this? To deliver a system that costs a lot less than the traditional mainframe. Why would IBM invest more into OS/400 than in Linux? Because it is superior to Linux (sure)? Well, they won't in my opinion. They won't attract new customers in the server arena by promoting an OS that's not known by many although it has more than proven it's value. OS/400 will never have a GUI, isn't open, is best used for business applications, prices are high (I'm not discussing TCO), all this does not apply to magic buzz words of this moment. Unfortunately the market (customers) will decide which OS will win at the end...a question of demand and supply. At the end IBM will have the best chances by writing software for all platforms (java) and using an OS scalable from desktop to mainframe (Linux) Kind regards Geert Van Landeghem -----Original Message----- From: Nicolay, Paul [mailto:paul_nicolay@merck.com] Sent: maandag 11 maart 2002 15:26 To: 'rpg400-l@midrange.com' Subject: RE: The status quo and the future... Richard, Not possible (one of IBM's favorite answers regarding this topic) ... come on, OS/400 would run fine on a desktop if the effort was made. Shame that Frank Soltis isn't listening, but I'm sure it runs in the labs somewhere (the microcode kernel is one of the main reasons that it would be possible). Ahhh...IBM's going after the servers with Linux, not the desktops... that makes it even more worse as they have an excellent server line themselves ! There's no reason to invest in yet another server OS. Kind regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: Richard B Baird [mailto:rbaird@esourceconsulting.com] Sent: 11 March, 2002 15:08 To: rpg400-l@midrange.com Subject: RE: The status quo and the future... >One would guess that they learned from it ? > >Why spending billions on someone else's technology hoping that it helps >against M$ ? Why not just spending the money on your own technology, and >give OS/400 (running on Intel) for free to every kid at every corner on the >street. not possible. os/400 would never scale down to the desktop. >Free, free and free is the only reason that one even talks about Linux... >and definitely not the quality of the OS (then they would better talk about >OS/400), not the fact that it is open source (another hype... just guess how >many people are really capable of reading, or writing kernel code), not the >number of business applications (if we should be happy with OpenOffice ?), >not the quality of the GUI (each application has a different key combination >to quit from it, not to mention the different incompatible desktop >managers), not... > >In Europe (the States may be different) kids install on their home PCs what >they can copy (for free or not, legal or illegal, it doesn't matter) and >learn about that technology. Not exactly a good start to build a future >base of people who know IBM and iSeries. This sounds like you are equating ibms jumping in bed with linux to trying to get ms off the desktop. apples and oranges. ibm's going after the servers, not the desktops. >Kind regards, >Paul _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l.
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