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I'm not really asking for complete sessions, just a sort of "topic roadmap" that I can use as a template. I'm afraid I'll get to the advanced topics too quickly for some of them. They've seen bits of the code I'm writing, and they're asking specific questions about technique, without a full understanding of some of the basics. They've all started using RPGIV on a daily basis, but we have a lot of style issues, not to mention a few bad practices held over from our RPGII heritage..... I'll check out the session synopses' this weekend. Thanks for the suggestion. NOTE: I promise I won't steal anything but ideas....... :) Also note: I seriously doubt I'll be doing this for a living. :( Eric DeLong Sally Beauty Company MIS-Sr. Programmer/Analyst 940-898-7863 or ext. 1863 -----Original Message----- From: rob@dekko.com [mailto:rob@dekko.com] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:29 AM To: rpg400-l@midrange.com Subject: Eric's training sessions at his employers. Importance: High Not that I suggest stealing their material - these people do it for a living, but you may wish to see the sessions offered at common, read their synopsis and think what you would cover in a session like that and go from there. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@Sallybea To: "'rpg400-l@midrange.com'" <rpg400-l@midrange.com> uty.com> cc: Sent by: Fax to: rpg400-l-admin@mi Subject: RE: Why we don't use procedures more (was MOVE opcode in drange.com freeform /strange behavior w/%editc) 03/01/2002 11:42 AM Please respond to rpg400-l I'm pleased to mention that I've _FINALLY_ been given permission to conduct a series of training session with our local staff. I'm trying really hard to stay out of ILE for now, but that's the ultimate goal. We had our first session earlier this week, and I see a LOT of interest from most of the coders here. Note that I'm not a professional trainer; I'm a little out of my league here, but still grateful for the chance to bring the others up to speed....... IMO, the real problem for most of the folks here is finding good example code to use as training examples. The lists have really brought me along, but most coders here have neither the time or inclination to dig through the piles of email to find these little gems. Fine, leave it to me then. I'll start the ball rolling and see if I can build INTEREST in the technology. It's amazing to watch the light come on. When they SEE for themselves the advantages of modular design and modern coding technique, their whole attitude changes. The biggest hurdle is getting them interested in learning again. BTW, if anyone has a basic outline of topics I should cover, I'd really appreciate a copy. I really want these sessions to be a benefit for our staff. Any suggestions are appreciated. Eric DeLong Sally Beauty Company MIS-Sr. Programmer/Analyst 940-898-7863 or ext. 1863 -----Original Message----- From: Buck Calabro [mailto:Buck.Calabro@commsoft.net] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:25 PM To: rpg400-l@midrange.com Subject: RE: Why we don't use procedures more (was MOVE opcode in freeform /strange behavior w/%editc) Bob said: >This is stuff you should be doing on your own, >even with your own money. > >It is the right thing to do. AMEN! Most certainly I never had a job where the boss said "Hey, don't worry about the deadlines, take a week or so and go tinker." It took me 23 years to make it to Common! I am... let's politely say 'well seasoned,' starting on card equipment. I have no university education. I learnt literally e v e r y thing I know by myself, and virtually all on my own time. I have a library of books bought with my own after tax dollars - and not all AS/400 books either. K&R, Knuth, etc. as well as our friends in the midrange world. I have an account on one of the timeshare machines to play on. I use Code/400 and before that Picante's Flex and before that Brief. All paid for by me. If I don't keep my skills current, what choices will I have for work next year? In 1978, I could run a 1403 blindfolded (I was GOOD!) If I merely maintained my awesome 1403 talent I'd be out of work, as the 1403's are almost all gone. I have a family, house, etc., etc., etc. I value my ability to feed my family, so I make time to keep up. If I can do it, anybody can. If there's one wish I have, it's that I could really, truly convince midrange programmers that THEY CAN DO IT! GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO! --buck _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l.
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