RE: Modernising the AS/400

[boothm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

It is my understanding that the Java model is to allow "extensions".  In 
other words everything must run on the basic virtual machine but you as a 
Java implementer can build your application so that it can check and see 
if there is an "extension" available, and if so, use the extension instead 
of the basic piece.  That allows every application to meet any needs of 
specialized developers and platforms (like the AS/400) yet insures that if 
another Java implementation shows up, it will at least run in a basic way.

The Sun-Microsoft war I believe is about how the basic piece fits in 
there.  Sun's claim is that Microsoft has "enhanced" Java  so that it 
won't run well, if at all, on non-Microsoft virtual machines.  I take it 
that Microsoft has essentially destroyed or crippled the underlying basic 
pieces and used "extensions" in such a way that your Java implementation 
won't run on Windows platform machines unless you pay the Renton tax.

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Booth Martin
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"Bale, Dan" <DBale@lear.com>
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Nelson,

2) Is this the "pure" Java vs. Microsoft Java battle that's been in the 
news
that you're talking about?  Somewhat related, it was my understanding that
there will always be platform-specific ... umm ... what do they call 
them...
libraries(?).  Normal Java applications will be able to remain "pure" for
WO-RA, but that changes once you start getting into system-level 
functions,
hence the platform-specific libraries.  Am I wrong about that?

Also, how does Linux play into the picture?  Linux is an OS, Java is an
application language.

- Dan Bale

> -----Original Message-----
> From:          Nelson C. Smith [SMTP:ncsmith@gate.net]
> Sent:          Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:09 PM
> To:            RPG400-L@midrange.com
> Subject:               Re: Modernising the AS/400
> 
> Two reasons:
> 
> 1.) IBM is so committed to it that they will probably get the 
performance
> issues worked out and everyone else won't, and
> 
> 2.) From what I read in non-IBM journals, JAVA seems to already be
> starting
> to fragment into many "house flavors".  That's probably the kiss of 
death.
> The rest of the world is already moving on the next cure-all buzzword,
> Linux, and I see all the same claims being made about it that they were
> making about JAVA two years ago.
> 
> Nothing factual here, of course, just that uneazy feeling that we've 
been
> here before.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bale, Dan" <DBale@lear.com>
> To: <RPG400-L@midrange.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:04 AM
> Subject: RE: Modernising the AS/400
> 
> 
> > Nelson,
> >
> > > On JAVA, I have a feeling it will be a ... failure in the rest of 
the
> > world and we will
> > > once again have our own little language that no one else uses.
> >
> > That is a bit surprising to hear.  Why do you think that?
> >
> > - Dan Bale
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