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I think the whole issue is that the White Books are written as reference materials and that IBM could do all of us a great service if they were to write more manuals in the tutorial style. I'm not saying that the reference materials should be done away with (G-d forbid). I know that quite a few Red Books address this desire, but I think that the examples in the White books could/should be expanded. Again the White Books are wonderful reference materials but they are not tutorials. Just my $.02 Eric ______________________________________________ Eric N. Wilson President Doulos Software & Computer Services 2913 N Alder St Tacoma WA 98407 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Klement <infosys@klements.com> To: <RPG400-L@midrange.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Why people don't use the manuals (was Array question) > I have to say that I think the problem with the manuals is the way > that things are worded. I remember when I first learned this stuff, > I just got confused by the way things were worded in the IBM manuals.. > > They're also very "dry", which makes it hard to just sit down and > read them. I think this is why the "dummies" series of books has > become so popular -- the way they word things, and the humor they use. > > As for the Books vs. the CD, vs the Web... I find that the CD and > web are easier for "reference". Such as looking up a specific topic, > (especially if you dont know where it is and need to search) > If I need to know the positions in the File Info Data Structure of a > specific thing, for example, its easier to whip out the CD and search > for INFDS, and follow links from there. > > The Web, to me, is identical to the CD, except it loads a lot slower. > I use it when the CD isn't convieniently available. I'm a bit at a > loss to understand how its any different from the CD. > > The printed manuals are much easier if you're going to sit down and > read whole chapters. I don't often do this, unless I'm learning a > whole new skill, which is unusual. For new programmers, however, > this is a much bigger deal, so when I'm training people I tend to > start with printed manuals (we have a few of the common things) and > then teach them how to use the CD for reference. > > > > "Joe Teff" <jteff19@idt.net> wrote: > > That wasn't the case (or not as much) when manuals were manuals. > > I beleive that the softcopy manuals have contributed greatly to this > > I > > actually prefer the web over the softcopy (finding and accessing the > > info using the web manuals is faster and easier than using the CD). > > The only problem is developers do not have web access at work in > > many cases. I do only because I carry my laptop and use my phone > > connection to dial into my personnal account with my ISP. I find tha > > many sites do not use Infoseeker because of disk considerations and > > thier manuals are several releases/versions old. > > > > >Definitely agree with you there. Many people are scared of the > > manuals, > > >for some reason? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * This is the RPG/400 Discussion Mailing List! To submit a new * > * message, send your mail to "RPG400-L@midrange.com". To unsubscribe * > * from this list send email to MAJORDOMO@midrange.com and specify * > * 'unsubscribe RPG400-L' in the body of your message. Questions should * > * be directed to the list owner / operator: david@midrange.com * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This is the RPG/400 Discussion Mailing List! To submit a new * * message, send your mail to "RPG400-L@midrange.com". To unsubscribe * * from this list send email to MAJORDOMO@midrange.com and specify * * 'unsubscribe RPG400-L' in the body of your message. Questions should * * be directed to the list owner / operator: david@midrange.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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