RE: Here is a real reality check for every PC user...

Hey, Joe

I don't know what is involved, but it is said that if you do not pass the 
so-called "omissible" parameter to the CEE* APIs, a machine lock-up is 
possible. The docs says that if you "omit" the parameter, you must pass a null 
pointer. (This does not seem like the meaning of "omit", but what do I know?)

This is not something I found at IBM, I believe I was told this by a support 
person.

But this does give anyone "control of the computer", it causes a hang.

I do not believe this is FUD.

Vern


-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 

> Ick. I hate these conversations, because in most cases we're just "agreeing 
> in a loud tone of voice" . 
> 
> Anyway, let me clarify a specific point and then we can move on. One of the 
> primary security breaches in Windows is through buffer overruns: the idiot 
> who programmed the code didn't check for data running over the end of the 
> buffer, and carefully crafted requests can then put executable code where it 
> shouldn't be and cause bad things to happen. 
> 
> This cannot happen on an iSeries. You can't do it. Feel free to prove me 
> wrong, and I'll be happy to eat crow, because you'll be uncovering a 
> security hole that's existed for over 25 years. The point is that the 
> iSeries for all intents and purposes is a non-Von Neumann machine (as were 
> all its predecessors back as far as the S/38), and so is not prey to buffer 
> overruns. I'm not going to argue the technicalities, but if you can ever 
> create an iSeries buffer overrun exploit, I'll retract my statement. 
> 
> So, from this standpoint, the standpoint of operating system stability, 
> i5/OS (nee OS/400, nee CPF) is more secure than Windows. This is not 
> opinion, it's simple fact. 
> 
> Second, yes, people can create unsecured iSeries environments. Leave the 
> default password on QSECOFR, that's a great way. Hell, any machine that is 
> not physically secured is subject to security breach (something people 
> amazingly forget -- they secure the heck out of their network then leave the 
> door to the computer room unlocked). But my point on that is that you are 
> more likely to have a non-IT person do something stupid on their desktop 
> than you are to have your iSeries mismanaged by professional IT staff (of 
> course, this depends on your IT staff ). 
> 
> So, from this standpoint, the standpoint of user engineering, again the 
> iSeries is more secure. Again, not really subject to debate, is it? 
> 
> Joe 
> 
> 
> > From: Bob Crothers 
> > 
> > Joe, just because a thing hasn't been done is no reason to assume it cant 
> > be done. 
> > 
> > Is the iSeries more secure than most windows boxes? Yes. No argument from 
> > me on that. 
> > 
> > But is it hack proof? No. Not at all. 
> > 
> > And you are also assuming that the people who control the box know what 
> > they 
> > are doing. I deal with a lot of iSeries shops around the country...and I 
> > can assure you that they are NOT all "well run secure machines". Some are 
> > down right scary in fact. 
> 
> 
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