Re: [IBMiOSS] gmake: *** virtual memory exhausted. Stop.

On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The point I’m trying to make is that you can’t explain jargon with more

jargon.

I agree.

I think we should document the things you've mentioned so we can point
people at a "definitions and concepts for IBM i OSS in PASE" page in the
future.






Aaron Bartell
litmis.com - Services for open source on IBM i


On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Without meaning to sound rude to Aaron for a brave attempt - the answer is
No it doesn’t.

Personally I know just enough about node.js and that whole world to have
made a bit of sense out of it. But for your average Joe (or even
above-average Joe) it doesn’t start far enough back. Just to give an
example of the kind of thing I mean.


Kevin wanted to use a new NoSQL database (Google it if you don’t know what
NoSQL is) called Redis.

In order to use that database from node.js he needed to install a package
called hiredis. Think of a node.js package as the equivalent of a Service
program containing all the necessary subprocedures to enable the database
to be used.

Whereas on the IBM i we are used to installing things via GOLICPGM or
simply by restoring a library etc. In the world of node.js the task of
installing this kind of functionality is most often handled by a function
known as Node Package Manager - or npm.

So to install the package Kevin used the command: ""npm install hiredis”
which invokes npm and requests that it install hiredis via the internet.
The details of how the internet connection is defined will remain a mystery
for the time being.

Note that while you may be used to prompting (F4) on commands on IBM i, no
such support is provided in PASE. You just have to learn the commands
through osmosis and by decoding the error messages. Even when help is
supplied it is often as incomprehensible as the command you are seeking
help for. (That last bit is tongue in cheek).

Quite often packages such as hiredis use so-called “native” components.
That is to say code that needs to be compiled on the target machine. It is
for this reason that the IBM OS package includes tools such as GNU, Make,
and GCC (that last one is a compiler - you can look the others up). The
package includes all of the compiler commands needed to build the various
components …

(( Cut to Aaron’t explanation of a CL build program ))


The point I’m trying to make is that you can’t explain jargon with more
jargon. It has to be stated in the terms your target user is already
familiar with. If learning all this stuff was easy for us old farts a lot
more people would be grepping all over the place in the IFS and making far
more use of PASE. The fact that so little use is made of what we already
had _before_ this OSS stuff came along should have been a hint to IBM.


Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Since I am installing Group PTFs (aka waiting...) I will digress through
some of this and you can ask further questions.

First, what was Kevin Turner trying to accomplish? He wanted to install

a

Node Package Module (npm) named hiredis(n1) so he could communicate from
Node.js to Redis, which is a NoSQL database that can run on IBM i (thanks
perzl). The "npm install hiredis" command Kevin was running is how you
install packages from the internet. This particular package has a

"native"

component. When you see "native" that usually means the language
(Node.js/Ruby/PHP/Python) wasn't fast enough to do something (in this

case

a faster parser, though I don't know what it's parsing; maybe JSON?) or

it

wasn't worth rewriting something that already exists (i.e. encryption
algorithms). Because it had a native component (C/C++) it required a
compile. This necessitated a bunch more tools, like GNU Make and GCC.

GNU

Make (gmake for short) is a tool that looks at a file named "Makefile"

that

has instructions on how to create/make the project (like how we might put
together a CL program full of CRTRPGMOD and CRTSRVPGM commands). In
Kevin's scenario gmake was puking because it didn't like ~something~.
Well, we don't necessarily know what that something was in this case.

What

we learned is we should ~never~ use QSH or QP2TERM for anything. We

should

always STRTCPSVR *SSHD and ssh into the machine into a bash shell (which
IBM now ships with 5733OPS).

Hope that helps.

n1 - https://www.npmjs.com/package/hiredis

Aaron Bartell
litmis.com - Services for open source on IBM i


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

"So, I get the thrust of what Tony is saying, but I also want to

reassure

open source newbies that you don't HAVE to know C to participate

fruitfully

in open source.”

I on the other agree fully with Tony _except_ I would replace “C” with
“Unixese” - I do know some C but have rarely found it necessary to
utilizing OS software. However the fact that everything is described in
assorted sub-dialects of Unixese _is_ a major inhibitor.

I try to follow some of the conversations on this list and frankly it is
putting me off trying a lot of the stuff. Take an extract from one of

the

recent discussions on this list:

"OK thanks all - a little progress. I was now able to install ibm_db

from

npm. However, node-gyp rebuild still fails for things like "hiredis".

With

that gmake fails:

gmake: *** virtual memory exhausted. Stop.”

I guess it is English of sorts - but where the heck is one supposed to
start ?

Personally I’d like to see IBM make a lot more effort to make this stuff
comprehensible.


Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

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